sorry for top-post, but one more thing to consider, if caching would be
used, are secondary arches - how it would affect their ability to build
the buildroots
Dan
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:07:53 -0600
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
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Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will
> >> >>> > > not use the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from
> >> >>> > > scratch using a fully clean environment to
>> >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will
>> >>> > > not use the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch
>> >>> > > using a fully clean environment to help with ensuring
>> >>> > > reproducability.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can cache and still preserve reproducability
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:18:17 +0100
Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> On 01/14/2015 04:00 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> >> On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will
> >>> > > not use the lvm
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:53:36 +0100
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Agreed. In principle, any package could affect the build of any other
> package (e.g. bash version could realistically influence build
> results), but we ignore this. As you say, something like this would
> happen only if the
On 01/14/2015 04:00 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use
>>> > > the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully
>>> > > clean environment to help with ensuring reprod
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:19:13AM +0100, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz
> wrote:
> > GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which
> > will change noarch packages.
>
> It shouldn't change a program's behavior, unless the pr
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz
wrote:
> GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which
> will change noarch packages.
It shouldn't change a program's behavior, unless the program itself is
relying on undefined behavior. Either way I would call that a b
W dniu 16.01.2015 o 09:35, Petr Spacek pisze:
> Another advantage could be mass-rebuild simplification. Maybe we could save
> machine and man-time by not rebuilding noarch packages because of gcc rebase
> or something like that.
GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which
On 15.1.2015 23:13, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
> 2015-01-15 20:18 GMT+01:00 Orion Poplawski :
>
>> On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>> On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dear Fedora developers,
>
> I'd like to coll
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:13:17PM +0100, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
> Another case about the default buildroot is compiler version, one could
> rely on a newer gcc (such as with a gcc5 package) and rebuild any packages
> with this new buildroot environment without tweaking any sources packages.
But yo
2015-01-15 20:18 GMT+01:00 Orion Poplawski :
> On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> >> On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>> Dear Fedora developers,
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. makin
On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>> On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>>> Dear Fedora developers,
>>>
>>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
>>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specif
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> And somebody might be interested what is the trend:
>
> = F21
[snip]
> 7320
[snip]
> = F20
[snip]
> 6856
[snip]
> = F19
[snip]
> 6609
[snip]
> = F18
[snip]
> 6288
One can see that the number of compiled packages is actually INCREASING.
It's just that the number of scripted p
On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dear Fedora developers,
I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
dependencies, etc.
Would it be technically feasib
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dear Fedora developers,
Hi,
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
I agree with removing this, but we need some time to investiga
On 01/14/2015 04:38 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
And it seems that this is the number of packages written in C++:
$ repoquery --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide --source --whatrequires
'libstdc++.so.6*' | sort -u | sed -r 's/(.*)-.*-.*/\1/' | uniq | wc -l
2396
I'd like to point out at this place, t
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:57:59 +0100
Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use
> > the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully
> >
On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use the
> lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully clean
> environment to help with ensuring reproducability.
You can cache and still preserve reproducability. What
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>> Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is
> that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on
> g
Hi,
> I don't think the original question was all that great. If we were to
> script the change to add the BRs, it would take time but it would
> mostly be a one-time cost. Reducing buildroot time creation, network
> bandwidth, and storage savings is a reduction over each new buildroot
> insta
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:10:43 -0700
Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dear Fedora developers,
> >
> > I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> > minimal build root really minimal, explic
On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dear Fedora developers,
I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
dependencies, etc.
Would it be technically feasible to have a different buildroot for arch
and n
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45:39AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> > (Incidentally, this would be much less of a problem if we had a way
> > to add all the needed BuildRequires: automatically, and actually did
> > that. But the m
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> (Incidentally, this would be much less of a problem if we had a way
> to add all the needed BuildRequires: automatically, and actually did
> that. But the mere presence of these BuildRequires: in spec files
> would still be accident
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:32:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> Of the 7742 that are arch specific, we do not know how many need to
> have gcc or gcc-c++ installed in the buildroot for them to compile.
> though we could likely look at the BuildRequires and make an educated
> guess.
auto-buildreq
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> > On 01/13/2015 07:12 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> >> On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > I basically see several issues:
> >
> > 1. The sheer amount of packages being affect.
By all accounts w
> On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > I actually think that cmake should be added to the minimal build root,
> > instead of removing stuff. Almost all the packages I work on BuildRequire
> > cmake (which also implies that they need make to build, and gcc-c++ is the
> > typica
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> > minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> > dependencies, etc.
>
> -1, all the serious software requires gcc, gcc-c++ and make
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski
wrote:
> On 01/12/2015 02:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dear Fedora developers,
> >
> > I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> > minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> > dependencies, etc.
>
>
On 01/13/2015 06:53 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
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To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:52:07 PM
Subject: Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root
On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít Ond
- Original Message -
> From: "Marian Csontos"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:52:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root
>
> On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dne 13
On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is
that true, that every package in C/C++ compil
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>> Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is
> that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on
> g
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:54:03 +0100
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:42 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> > On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >> Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> >>
> >> So we are even not able to tell how
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Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:01 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> lets get some
> concrete data to look at.
So please, is there any chance to get similar data from Koji? You are
probably the best person who could provide something similar to my tests.
Thanks
Vít
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is
that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on
glibc? Then we can use this query to get the number
Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>>> So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is
>>> that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on
>>> glibc? Then we can use this query to get the number of packages:
>>>
>>> $ repoquery --source --whatre
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:28:36 -0500
Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Vít Ondruch
> wrote:
> > Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote:
> >
> > On Tue,
Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:42 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
>>
>> So we are even not able to tell how many packages are written in C or
>> C++ in Fedora, since we do not have the BuildRequires speficied
>> correctly
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:08:24 +0100
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dear Fedora developers,
>
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
>
> The topi
On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
So we are even not able to tell how many packages are written in C or
C++ in Fedora, since we do not have the BuildRequires speficied
correctly.
Correct.
Because we have still the false feeling that eve
Dne 13.1.2015 v 16:35 Peter Robinson napsal(a):
>>> You can interpret these data yourself, but with less packages in build root,
>>> I can see:
>>>
>>> 1) Saved build time
>>> 2) Saved network bandwidth
>>> 3) Saved storage
>>> 4) Less things to break
>> Just to make sure I'm reading the data corre
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dear Fedora developers,
>
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
Hi,
I think this is a good idea, because overall I tend to avo
>> You can interpret these data yourself, but with less packages in build root,
>> I can see:
>>
>> 1) Saved build time
>> 2) Saved network bandwidth
>> 3) Saved storage
>> 4) Less things to break
>
> Just to make sure I'm reading the data correctly, your tests show a
> maximum approximate savings
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the
Forgot to add this was measured on my Lenovo T440s, with SSD and 12 GB
RAM, running F21 with mock 1.2.3, configured to use LVM plugin and DNF
(see attached config files). And network? Who knows, probably fast.
Should be 1Gb/s if I am not mistaken.
Not sure how similar/different the tests could loo
Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved
>>> in adding a new BR to thousands
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> > That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved
> > in adding a new BR to thousands of packages?
>
> Am I wrong assuming that it would be
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved
> in adding a new BR to thousands of packages?
Am I wrong assuming that it would be rather easy to add the BR to all
packages semi-automatically previous to
The arguments on change the compiler not near enough is damn failed as well.
LLVM and now clang are growing towards a been a standard soon for many
applications.
Helio
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:38:44PM +0100, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:38:44PM +0100, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> On 01/12/2015 02:30 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> > W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze:
> >
> >> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> >> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly spe
Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> On 01/13/2015 07:12 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>> On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
minimal build root really minimal, expli
On 01/13/2015 07:12 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote:
Vít Ondruch wrote:
I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
dependencies, etc.
-1, all the serious
> > Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> >> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> >> dependencies, etc.
>
+1
As somebody who works on software that sometimes get rebuilt by other
people not using koji or mock, I
On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
>> dependencies, etc.
>
> -1, all the serious software requires gcc, gcc-c++ and make to
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
>> dependencies, etc.
>
> -1, all the serious software requires gcc, gcc-c++ and make to
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
-1, all the serious software requires gcc, gcc-c++ and make to build.
I actually think that cmake should be added to the min
Dne 12.1.2015 v 14:30 Marcin Juszkiewicz napsal(a):
> W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze:
>
>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
>> dependencies, etc.
> Are you aware that this means changi
- Original Message -
> Dear Fedora developers,
>
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
>
> The topic originally spring out in this [1] discussion on packaging
> list. Intere
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:30:49 +0100
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze:
>
> > I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> > minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> > dependencies, etc.
>
> Are you aware that
On 01/12/2015 02:30 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze:
>
>> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
>> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
>> dependencies, etc.
>
> Are you aware that this means chan
On 01/12/2015 02:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dear Fedora developers,
>
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
I strongly support this idea.
In the past it probaby made sense to have
W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze:
> I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making
> minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build
> dependencies, etc.
Are you aware that this means changing build dependencies of most of
packages? Altering them ju
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