Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 20. 07. 23 v 19:10 Paul Howarth napsal(a): On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:10:37 +0200 Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Hi, libtomcrypt So this is the dependency chain: libtomcrypt <= python3-crypto <= python3-beaker <= python3-mako I raised

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-20 Thread Paul Howarth
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:10:37 +0200 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > > Hi, > > > > > > libtomcrypt > > > > So this is the dependency chain: > > libtomcrypt <= python3-crypto <= python3-beaker <= python3-mako I raised

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
(adding the list back on CC, since it seems this went private just by mistake) You know, my initial email listed 4 packages and removal of them might result in saving of tens of MBs. They are small on itself but they pull in much bigger dependency chains. And that typically happens just by

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Rex Dieter
(sorry, first reply was sent privately, doing again to include list) Seems like you may have not considered the translations angle, so let me spin it another way... If I adjusted where translations are packaged (put with -libs), so that the base 'exiv2' package was < 1mb (~200k uncompressed),

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
1) I am sure I never had any need to use the exiv2 executable and I would be surprised if majority of Fedora users had different experience 2) I don't understand what else then space saving and e.g. optimization of install media should be the reason for the split. But given that the split as

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Rex Dieter
I don't see any good reason to change here. Mostly because the status quo is already a compromise to leave the base package as an optional Recommends (ie, removable). This is considering that most of the space in question here are translations, that strictly-speaking, probably ought to be

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 14:42, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13. 07. 23 v 14:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > > Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > > > exiv2 > > > > > So this is pulled in by exiv2-libs: > > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/exiv2/blob/rawhide/f/exiv2.spec#_53-58 > >

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
(now hopefully with correct maintainer email) Dne 13. 07. 23 v 14:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): exiv2 So this is pulled in by exiv2-libs: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/exiv2/blob/rawhide/f/exiv2.spec#_53-58 I am not sure I agree with the

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): exiv2 So this is pulled in by exiv2-libs: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/exiv2/blob/rawhide/f/exiv2.spec#_53-58 I am not sure I agree with the comment `# not strictly required, but convenient and expected`. But I think dependencies like

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13. 07. 23 v 14:10 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Hi, libtomcrypt So this is the dependency chain: libtomcrypt <= python3-crypto <= python3-beaker <= python3-mako Where python3-mako is require by rhythmbox, which is understandably part of the

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 10. 07. 23 v 10:38 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Hi, libtomcrypt So this is the dependency chain: libtomcrypt <= python3-crypto <= python3-beaker <= python3-mako Where python3-mako is require by rhythmbox, which is understandably part of the basic installation. But is the rest really

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 11. 07. 23 v 12:47 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): On 11. 07. 23 12:39, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 10. 07. 23 10:38, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: ... libxcrypt-compat ... and

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 10. 07. 23 v 20:31 Daniel Walsh napsal(a): On 7/10/23 05:00, Olivier Fourdan wrote: Hi Vit On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:38 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: cpp

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-11 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 11. 07. 23 12:39, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 10. 07. 23 10:38, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: ... libxcrypt-compat ... and I wonder what is the mechanism, which pulls

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-11 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 10. 07. 23 10:38, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: ... libxcrypt-compat ... and I wonder what is the mechanism, which pulls these in? $ rpm -q --recommends

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 7/10/23 05:00, Olivier Fourdan wrote: Hi Vit On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:38 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: cpp libtomcrypt libxcrypt-compat exiv2 and I wonder what

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 10. 07. 23 v 11:07 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski napsal(a): On Monday, 10 July 2023 at 11:00, Olivier Fourdan wrote: [...] Can't comment on all the packages you listed Thank you for chiming in. , but the C preprocessor (CPP) is indeed required by xrdb (that's an option in xrdb, see

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 10 July 2023 at 11:00, Olivier Fourdan wrote: [...] > Can't comment on all the packages you listed, but the C preprocessor > (CPP) is indeed required by xrdb (that's an option in xrdb, see "-cpp" > in man xrdb) and xrdb itself is required by GDM: >

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Olivier Fourdan
Hi Vit On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:38 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Hi, > > I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are > some questionable packages installed by default, such as: > > cpp > libtomcrypt > libxcrypt-compat > exiv2 > > and I wonder what is the mechanism, which

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Dan Horák
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 10:38:18 +0200 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are > some questionable packages installed by default, such as: > > cpp > libtomcrypt > libxcrypt-compat > exiv2 > > and I wonder what is the mechanism, which

Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-10 Thread Vít Ondruch
Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: cpp libtomcrypt libxcrypt-compat exiv2 and I wonder what is the mechanism, which pulls these in? For example, there is not much what would depend on cpp: ~~~