Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-23 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 08/21/2015 06:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:27:37 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Upstreams, yes, but not Fedora. Fedora should be self-hosted. Can you please define

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2015 06:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:27:37 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Upstreams, yes, but not Fedora. Fedora should be self-hosted. Can you please define Fedora and self-hosted as you use them above? A domain 100 operated and owned by

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-21 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, August 20, 2015 07:02:51 PM Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/20/2015 06:00 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:55:01 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: I share this view. I refuse to create a github account and do not consider

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 01:56:02 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: Theres a bunch of tools out there to export issues from github They can turn this off at any moment, leaving you with no way to get your data out. Yep. This is the case for any project using

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:27:37 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Upstreams, yes, but not Fedora. Fedora should be self-hosted. Can you please define Fedora and self-hosted as you use them above? Fedora is part of the larger open source community. Fedora Infrastructure uses 100%

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/20/2015 07:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I don't know if there was a Big Philosophical Discussion, but in practice all kinds of Fedora-ish stuff has its upstream in github these days, so yes, clearly times have changed. That's not the point. I am talking about separating Fedora

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/20/2015 06:00 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:55:01 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: I share this view. I refuse to create a github account and do not consider using any external account resources for Fedora to be acceptable. While I

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/20/2015 09:51 AM, Milan Crha wrote: On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 21:45 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There will likely be oddities and bugs. Please file them in github so we can prioritize them and get them fixed up. https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues Hi, I do not have a github

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Paul Howarth
On 20/08/15 10:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/20/2015 09:51 AM, Milan Crha wrote: On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 21:45 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There will likely be oddities and bugs. Please file them in github so we can prioritize them and get them fixed up.

Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Milan Crha
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 21:45 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There will likely be oddities and bugs. Please file them in github so we can prioritize them and get them fixed up. https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues Hi, I do not have a github account, and I'm currently not going to

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/20/2015 07:51 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:33:37 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github, sourceforge, farcebook, nitter,

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/20/2015 12:00 PM, Paul Howarth wrote: On 20/08/15 10:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/20/2015 09:51 AM, Milan Crha wrote: On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 21:45 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There will likely be oddities and bugs. Please file them in github so we can prioritize them and get them fixed

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:39:20 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: This is correct. The infra team discussed this some time ago and since Github does nothing to lock up the resources we care about, So you'd only see lock-in to proprietary infrastructure

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Theres a bunch of tools out there to export issues from github They can turn this off at any moment, leaving you with no way to get your data out. and exposes our code to a much wider (*1000 at least) group of developers, If a developer wants to contribute to Fedora

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Christopher Meng
On Friday, August 21, 2015, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: vs. 1'. clone the upstream repository, 2'. commit your change(s) to the clone, 3'. export your patch(es) with git format-patch, 4'. open an issue through a web interface, 5'. attach the patch(es) to the issue (except of

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 12:33 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github, sourceforge, farcebook, nitter, goggle, or else - period. The last time a

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:33:37 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github, sourceforge, farcebook, nitter, goggle, or else - period. The last

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github, sourceforge, farcebook, nitter, goggle, or else - period. The last time a non-Fedora hosted / closed source service was suggested it was shot down.

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 12:33 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github, sourceforge, farcebook, nitter, goggle, or else - period. The last time a

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Milan Crha
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 11:00 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: Looks like you need to hit enter after typing/pasting in the package NVR into the Candidate Builds field, which was not at all obvious to me. Hi, thanks for the hint. That made it work, the package name is repeated below the

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: IMHO, I think projects should be free to choose whatever tools they wish to build their project. You are of course free to choose to not use that application/project based on that or other factors. Closed source applications are not something we ever want to run in Fedora

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:24:18 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: But this is a project where Fedora *is* upstream! I assume you mean bodhi by this. The primary bodhi developers are heavily involved in Fedora, but are also involved in other communities. When is a project Fedora ?

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:40:40AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 12:33 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/20/2015 12:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: To me any non fedora/redhat supplied account system is inacceptable, This applies to github,

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 02:40:10PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:24:18 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: But this is a project where Fedora *is* upstream! I assume you mean bodhi by this. The primary bodhi developers are heavily involved in Fedora,

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:55:01 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: I share this view. I refuse to create a github account and do not consider using any external account resources for Fedora to be acceptable. While I do have a GitHub account (no way for

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: I share this view. I refuse to create a github account and do not consider using any external account resources for Fedora to be acceptable. While I do have a GitHub account (no way for me to eschew it, sadly), I also do not understand why (and am sad that) Bodhi

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Paul W. Frields wrote: This is correct. The infra team discussed this some time ago and since Github does nothing to lock up the resources we care about, So you'd only see lock-in to proprietary infrastructure as a problem if they were actively locking things up? Even if now, everything can