Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-05 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
Hi, I think the better approach is to allow more updates, as Kevin suggested, usually they fix more than they break. I also think shorter freezes with unfreeze on slip are better than the current approach of accumulated updates on release day. >From my point of view, the best approach is rolling

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-04 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 02:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > 1) More time to catch regressions > > In theory. In practice, it mostly means more wasted time until a > regression > is FIXED, i.e., it is entirely counterproductive. Many regressions > are only > noticed

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Catanzaro wrote: > 1) More time to catch regressions In theory. In practice, it mostly means more wasted time until a regression is FIXED, i.e., it is entirely counterproductive. Many regressions are only noticed once the update goes stable, because that's when most users start trying

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-04 Thread Johnny Robeson
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 20:03 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 02:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > 1) More time to catch regressions > > > > In theory. In practice, it mostly means more wasted time until a > > regression > > is FIXED, i.e., it

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-03 Thread Petr Spacek
On 3.11.2015 02:13, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> Yeah, that's the clear disadvantage. The service pack approach >> sidesteps that problem: everything still goes out, just not so soon, so >> everything spends plenty of time in testing. All the bugs still get >> fixed, just not

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 02:13 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Yeah, that's the clear disadvantage. The service pack approach > > sidesteps that problem: everything still goes out, just not so > > soon, so > > everything spends plenty of time in testing. All the bugs still

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Yeah, that's the clear disadvantage. The service pack approach > sidesteps that problem: everything still goes out, just not so soon, so > everything spends plenty of time in testing. All the bugs still get > fixed, just not as fast. And that's "better" HOW? > (This

Re: Updates (was Fedora 23 Final RC10 status is GO !)

2015-11-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Michael Catanzaro: *who* if not the package maintainer which hopefully uses his own packages should have the final say? some group of people not understanding the issues really? The counterargument is that we keep seeing major version updates that violate our