Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-04-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christoph Wickert wrote: I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. I'll probably reply to more stuff in this thread at a later point. (I've been noticing this thread for a while, but it's a lot of stuff to read and probably reply to.) But I'll point out that

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 01:56:56 Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I don't think there's ever an absolute answer to this question. Sometimes it makes more sense for the original reporter to report upstream - in which case the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 07:34 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Then let me put it more bluntly: To a Fedora release's user, both tags are a slap into the face of reporter and mean your bug will not be fixed. So, I get a minor bug report not worth pushing an update for in the general releases but I fix

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 02:38 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Then ask the user Could you try yum --enablerepo=rawhide update foo From Fedora 13 onwards, this repo is not even installed by default because users quite often used to enable this accidentally and had to reinstall their systems. I know it's not

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Juha Tuomala
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. For most bugs that are reported they demand the reporter to file an upstream bug report at bugs.kde.org and set the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/31/2010 10:44 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 07:34 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Then let me put it more bluntly: To a Fedora release's user, both tags are a slap into the face of reporter and mean your bug will not be fixed. So, I get a minor bug report not worth pushing an

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 02:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: If your unworthy bug doesn't cause malfunctions, you could easily close it WONTFIX and add a comment. Why do you advocate WONTFIX over FIXED RAWHIDE? The latter seems the more accurate status considering that I did fix it in Rawhide. Rahul --

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On 31/03/10 10:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 02:38 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Then ask the user Could you try yum --enablerepo=rawhide update foo From Fedora 13 onwards, this repo is not even installed by default which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. because

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. Not at all. Either the bug is important to fix in the current release or it is not. Telling users to get it from Rawhide was never a valid resolution. It is a workaround in some very

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. Not at all. Either the bug is important to fix in the current release or it is not. Telling users to get it from Rawhide was

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On 31/03/10 11:50, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. Not at all. Either the bug is important to fix in the current release or it is not.

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:50:10 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. Not at all. Either the bug is important to fix in the current

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:55:58 Frank Murphy wrote: On 31/03/10 11:50, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more important. Not at all. Either the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On 31/03/10 12:25, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:55:58 Frank Murphy wrote: On 31/03/10 11:50, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: which will make fixing bugs in current even more

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 13:32:24 Frank Murphy wrote: On 31/03/10 12:25, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:55:58 Frank Murphy wrote: On 31/03/10 11:50, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:26:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 03:45 PM, Frank

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 05:50 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/31/2010 11:32 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 02:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: If your unworthy bug doesn't cause malfunctions, you could easily close it WONTFIX and add a comment. Why do you advocate WONTFIX over FIXED RAWHIDE?

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 06:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well this is what I call cheating the user and maintainer lying at themselves about their package's state and why I consider FIXED RAWHIDE to be non-helpful. The maintainer did not fix the bug a reporter filed, but left it unresolved and

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On 31/03/10 13:34, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Wednesday 31 March 2010 14:20:40 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/31/2010 11:32 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 02:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: If your unworthy bug doesn't cause malfunctions, you could easily close it WONTFIX and add a comment.

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: That's just your perception and I don't see any consensus on that.  The bug is fixed and fixed only in the development branch and this is a fairly common thing to do for upstream projects as well as distributions.

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Juha Tuomala
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Unfortunately our ticketing tool doesn't do a great job at this, as we can't take one ticket and mark multiple release branches it affects and which of those release branches the fix is provided. that's why there is 'clone' functionality. Use it.

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: that's why there is 'clone' functionality. Use it. Are you saying that we should all clone every report that we all would normally close as fixed rawhide? -jef -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:15:30PM +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Unfortunately our ticketing tool doesn't do a great job at this, as we can't take one ticket and mark multiple release branches it affects and which of those release branches the fix

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Juha Tuomala
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Are you saying that we should all clone every report that we all would normally close as fixed rawhide? Are you saying, that everyone facing that bug, should search from every release if that has been handled somewhere else other than the product in

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Are you saying that we should all clone every report that we all would normally close as fixed rawhide? Are you saying, that everyone facing that bug, should search from every

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 15:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/31/2010 02:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: If your unworthy bug doesn't cause malfunctions, you could easily close it WONTFIX and add a comment. Why do you advocate WONTFIX over FIXED RAWHIDE? The latter seems the more

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 19:15 +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Unfortunately our ticketing tool doesn't do a great job at this, as we can't take one ticket and mark multiple release branches it affects and which of those release branches the fix is

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 09:07 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: I'm asking for a sketch of a policy that would do better at accurately portraying what deficiencies are alive while still allowing maintainers to efficiently track which issues they've resolved to their satisfaction. I've thought about

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 00:45 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 04/01/2010 12:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: An alternative is to change the version to Rawhide and then you can use CLOSED RAWHIDE. You should usually have the reporter's agreement before doing this, though. Once again I note

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/01/2010 12:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: As I said in another mail, Launchpad isn't better in all respects, it's not a simple decision. Also, currently Bugzilla is shared with Red Hat and hence benefits from management by dkl and other RH staff; On the other hand, none of the bugzilla

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Till Maas wrote: Maybe it would be enough to somehow store the information in Bugzilla, e.g. using a flag for each supported release or some Whiteboard Keywords, and then implement another Bugzilla Frontend that uses the XML-RPC interface of Bugzilla to provide a Frontend that can be better

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:15:30 +0300 (EEST), Juha wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Unfortunately our ticketing tool doesn't do a great job at this, as we can't take one ticket and mark multiple release branches it affects and which of those release branches the fix is

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Juha Tuomala
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote: Why would I want to clone a bz ticket if I did not want to fix the bug in anything other than Rawhide? Because it's a database of release's bugs, not a todo list? I could be wrong of course, please correct me if I am. Considering that existing

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/31 21:47 (GMT+0200) Till Maas composed: On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:29:26PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: It'd be nice to have better handling for this in a future Bugzilla release, but I think it might require considerable internal changes, though I'm not an expert; it doesn't

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: Because it's a database of release's bugs, not a todo list? Bugzilla has multiple uses. The upstream project goes to some length describing it as a flexible tool. We in fact use it for multiple purposes. We use it for

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:30:08 +0300 (EEST), Juha wrote: Why would I want to clone a bz ticket if I did not want to fix the bug in anything other than Rawhide? Because it's a database of release's bugs, not a todo list? Is that an answer or a question? Anyone who wants to search the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:09:51PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 14:56 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Till Maas wrote: Maybe it would be enough to somehow store the information in Bugzilla, e.g. using a flag for each supported release or some Whiteboard

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 16:54 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Bugzilla is OSS. Those with the talent and inclination to do so could try lending a hand to existing efforts to improve branch/release handling: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55970 I found that bug quickly by searching in

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Juha Tuomala wrote: They've modified the bugzilla way too much and thus logged in users cannot for example change version or component which causes that there is way too much of entries that would need some kind of manual work and they lack the manpower to do that. [...] They do give these

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 3/31/2010 14:18, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 09:07 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: I'm asking for a sketch of a policy that would do better at accurately portraying what deficiencies are alive while still allowing maintainers to efficiently track which issues they've resolved to

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:25:50 -0400, Orcan wrote: What is RH bugzilla for, when not using for bugs in fedora? For packaging related bugs, or bugs related to Fedora specific customizations on packages. What you call Fedora specific customizations on packages may be also the chosen

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:35 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Monday 29 March 2010 13:09:46 Christoph Wickert wrote: I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. For most bugs that are reported they demand the reporter to file an upstream bug report at

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:59 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/29/2010 01:38 PM, Oliver Falk wrote: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! Me too. Except that I would not want to restrict this complaint to Fedora KDE. There are many other maintainers who apply a

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:11 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: As a user, having been hit by a bug, CLOSED UPSTREAM is nothing but a cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse to for not being able to fix a bug having hit a user. In other words: FIXED UPSTREAM does not fix anything for the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 09:13 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 15:10 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: But still bugs are fixed by program developers not Fedora developers. IMO 'Fedora developers' (really, what you mean here are packagers, I guess) should strive to

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I don't think there's ever an absolute answer to this question. Sometimes it makes more sense for the original reporter to report upstream - in which case the maintainer should politely ask them to; sometimes it makes

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 15:56 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I don't think there's ever an absolute answer to this question. Sometimes it makes more sense for the original reporter to report upstream - in which case the

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/31/2010 01:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: As a user, having been hit by a bug, CLOSED UPSTREAM is nothing but a cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse to for not being able to fix a bug having hit a user. In other words:

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Linuxguy123
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:09 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. For most bugs that are reported they demand the reporter to file an upstream bug report at bugs.kde.org and set the bug to NEEDINFO. If the reporter doesn't

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/31/2010 01:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: As a user, having been hit by a bug, CLOSED UPSTREAM is nothing but a cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse

Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Christoph Wickert
I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. For most bugs that are reported they demand the reporter to file an upstream bug report at bugs.kde.org and set the bug to NEEDINFO. If the reporter doesn't respond, the bug is closed NOTABUG or WONTFIX. But if the bug has

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 13:09:46 Christoph Wickert wrote: I am irritated by the way the KDE SIG and the KDE bugzappers handle bugs. For most bugs that are reported they demand the reporter to file an upstream bug report at bugs.kde.org and set the bug to NEEDINFO. If the reporter doesn't

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Oliver Falk
I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect the bugreporter to the upstream bugreporting plattform. I already have plenty of accounts on upstream bugzillas because of exactly this... -of Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 13:38:52 Oliver Falk wrote: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect the bugreporter to the upstream bugreporting plattform. I already have plenty of accounts on upstream bugzillas because of exactly this... Me

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect the bugreporter to the upstream bugreporting plattform. I already have plenty of accounts on upstream bugzillas because of exactly this... I

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:35 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The problem is - we can't act as man in middle - it's better when original reporter is also upstream reporter = direct communication. Wait -- *any* Fedora developer could say this about any bug. I just don't think it's true, and it

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2010 01:38 PM, Oliver Falk wrote: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! Me too. Except that I would not want to restrict this complaint to Fedora KDE. There are many other maintainers who apply a similar strategy and therefore deserve the same amount of

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect the bugreporter to the upstream bugreporting plattform. I already have plenty of accounts on

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect the bugreporter to the upstream

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2010/3/29 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 13:57:54 Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 13:35 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The problem is - we can't act as man in middle - it's better when original reporter is also upstream reporter = direct communication. Wait -- *any* Fedora developer could say this

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2010 02:11 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falkoli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally agree with Christoph! The maintainer should not redirect

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 14:20:57 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/29/2010 02:11 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falkoli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 14:16:55 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: On Monday 29 March 2010 14:03:51 Yaakov Nemoy wrote: 2010/3/29 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Oliver Falk oli...@linux-kernel.at: I had similar issues already and I totally

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:20:57PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: As a user, having been hit by a bug, CLOSED UPSTREAM is nothing but a cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse to for not being able to fix a bug having hit a user. In other words: FIXED UPSTREAM does not fix anything for

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Josephine Tannhäuser
2010/3/29, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: I don't see any problem here if KDE SIG just declare we don't fix KDE bugs, we just update packages. wtf? You can not be serious! It's the duty of every maintainer to accept responsibility for his/her package(s). If there is no responsibility

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/29 Josephine Tannhäuser josephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com: 2010/3/29, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: I don't see any problem here if KDE SIG just declare we don't fix KDE bugs, we just update packages. wtf? You can not be serious! It's the duty of every maintainer to accept

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 15:10 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: But still bugs are fixed by program developers not Fedora developers. IMO 'Fedora developers' (really, what you mean here are packagers, I guess) should strive to become 'program developers' for the packages they maintain. Getting

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 March 2010 15:13:56 Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 15:10 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: But still bugs are fixed by program developers not Fedora developers. IMO 'Fedora developers' (really, what you mean here are packagers, I guess) should strive to become

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2010/3/29 Till Maas opensou...@till.name: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:20:57PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: As a user, having been hit by a bug, CLOSED UPSTREAM is nothing but a cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse to for not being able to fix a bug having hit a user. In other words:

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Montag, den 29.03.2010, 19:47 +0200 schrieb Oliver Falk: Yeah. Kick out KDE! Use XFCE! Flamewar! *g* +1 :D Just jokin'... I also agree with Fine. Pkg maintainers are responsible for their pkgs. And of course not everybody is able to fix any kind of bug... I also agree with

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: Am Montag, den 29.03.2010, 21:05 +0200 schrieb Thomas Spura: Am Montag, den 29.03.2010, 19:47 +0200 schrieb Oliver Falk: I also agree with Fine. Pkg maintainers are responsible for their pkgs. And of course not everybody is able to fix