Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 22:51 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > people not taking every single word personal in a technical dicussion > would help everyone because the noise/information ratio would be much > more appropriate FWIW, it takes me literally 3-4x as long to read your emails as anyone else'

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/18/2014 07:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point you are making. Particularly, I don't see how __ follows. Can you explain that in

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:18:12 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > with my way communication is *much more* efficient Empirical evidence, makes me disagree with this statement. Effective communication includes understanding the human nature of your interlocutor. But I understand you do not like that. Go

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.10.2014 um 23:07 schrieb Simo Sorce: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:51:52 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: They do not say something like: "Sorry , I did not understand, can you repeat ?" the say "bitte?" like "please" in english (one single word) but for sure not "I'm not sure I understand the p

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:51:52 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.10.2014 um 22:43 schrieb Simo Sorce: > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:14:52 +0200 > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> > >> Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: > >>> On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > You c

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.10.2014 um 22:43 schrieb Simo Sorce: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:14:52 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point you are making. Particularly, I d

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:14:52 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: > > On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point > >> you are making. Particularly, I don't see how __ follows.

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.10.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Matthew Miller: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Ha Ha. I heard exactly that from my English teacher several weeks ago. For myself, this is cultural difference too. I would never use such wording in my native language. (Disclaimer: I'

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >Ha Ha. I heard exactly that from my English teacher several weeks ago. > >For myself, this is cultural difference too. I would never use such > >wording in my native language. (Disclaimer: I'm not targeting the > >original thread, bu

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 09:10:46AM +0200, Miroslav Suchy wrote: > >And conversely, if you feel like your position isn't being listened > >to, try "I guess I'm not making myself very clear. Let me try to > >restate Does this make more sense?" > Ha Ha. I heard exactly that from my English teacher

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.10.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Miroslav Suchy: On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point you are making. Particularly, I don't see how __ follows. Can you explain that in more depth?" And conversely, if you feel like y

Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Miroslav Suchy
On 10/17/2014 08:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: You can say something like "I'm not sure I understand the point you are making. Particularly, I don't see how __ follows. Can you explain that in more depth?" And conversely, if you feel like your position isn't being listened to, try "I gues

civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 06:24:03PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >Everyone: please remember the code of conduct here, and advance the > >conversation in a productive way or take it elsewhere. Thank you. > Well, then please explain, how you expect people to express > fundamental disagreement with s