Re: Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
It entirely depends on the device you can only export sdcards as block storage. For devices like the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 that only have internal storage you can only use mtp or ptp I've found that digikam does a horrible job of trying to pull photos when in ptp mode. Simone Caronni wrote:

Re: Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Simone Caronni
> On 17 Sep 2012 16:15, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > (3) I don't use it any more. I just gave up trying to get files off > > Android tablets. WTF don't they support USB mass storage like every > > other thing out there? I have a few devices, up to android 2.3.x block storage was the default,

Re: Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Gary Gatling
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I've orphaned this package. There are various > reasons for this: > > (1) It's buggy: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/mtpfs > > (2) Upstream is not responsive. The weight of developer effort seems > to have moved to s

Re: Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
illa.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841260#c1 > > > > (3) I don't use it any more. I just gave up trying to get files off > > Android tablets. WTF don't they support USB mass storage like every > > other thing out there? > > My understanding is that its so both the

Re: Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Peter Robinson
gt; Android tablets. WTF don't they support USB mass storage like every > other thing out there? My understanding is that its so both the phone and computer can read/write to the filesystem at the same time. It was needed to be able to move apps to secondary storages amongst other th

Orphaning: mtpfs (FUSE filesystem for MTP devices like Android tablets)

2012-09-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I've orphaned this package. There are various reasons for this: (1) It's buggy: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/mtpfs (2) Upstream is not responsive. The weight of developer effort seems to have moved to several alternative projects, and it's probably worthwhile adopting one of

Re: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64

2012-05-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 00:10 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > 2012/5/15 Adam Williamson : > > On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 23:47 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > >> I know I got what I deserved by attempting to "fix" by hand the move > >> from / to /usr, just did need to boot fr

Re: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64

2012-05-15 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2012/5/15 Adam Williamson : > On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 23:47 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: >> I know I got what I deserved by attempting to "fix" by hand the move >> from / to /usr, just did need to boot from the fedora16 dvd, mount lvm >> root and finish my "fix"; brain fart, and cycli

Re: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64

2012-05-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 23:47 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > I know I got what I deserved by attempting to "fix" by hand the move > from / to /usr, just did need to boot from the fedora16 dvd, mount lvm > root and finish my "fix"; brain fart, and cyclic dep on moving /lib64 > to /usr/

rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64

2012-05-15 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
I know I got what I deserved by attempting to "fix" by hand the move from / to /usr, just did need to boot from the fedora16 dvd, mount lvm root and finish my "fix"; brain fart, and cyclic dep on moving /lib64 to /usr/lib64 and then a symlink, leaving it with all binaries failing due to missing /

Re: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 04:21 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 03/21/2012 03:40 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >> >>> From xen-devel list. >>> >>> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug >>> identified by Konrad? >>> >>> Yu

Re: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 03:40 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> From xen-devel list. >> >> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug >> identified by Konrad? >> >> Yum does not list any other kernels other than 3.2.10. >> > Un

Re: Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 15:31:01 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: On 03/21/2012 03:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:53:27 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: From xen-devel list. How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug identified by Konrad? Yum does no

Re: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > From xen-devel list. > > How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug > identified by Konrad? > > Yum does not list any other kernels other than 3.2.10. Unless you've done something odd, the previous 2 kernels should st

Re: Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 03:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:53:27 -0400, > Gerry Reno wrote: >> From xen-devel list. >> >> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug >> identified by Konrad? >> >> Yum does not list any other kernels other than 3.2.10. >

Re: Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:53:27 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: From xen-devel list. How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug identified by Konrad? Yum does not list any other kernels other than 3.2.10. Normally you will have three install and can just pick another w

Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
From xen-devel list. How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug identified by Konrad? Yum does not list any other kernels other than 3.2.10. Original Message Subject:Re: [Xen-devel] Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen

Re: filesystem

2012-02-06 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM, darrell pfeifer wrote: >> If you continue to repeat the "eating babies" myth then it will become >> self-fulfilling. > > I would humbly suggest that use of future tense is that sentence is > overly optimistic an

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:34:39 +0100 Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > For those of us early testers, is it now safe to remove the usrmove > repository and re-enable Rawhide? Or should we wait until F17 get > branched and grab the fedora-release RPM that points to the branched > repositories? Rawhid

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/2012 11:43 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:47:10 -0800 darrell pfeifer > wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: As far as I'v

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 16:27, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Am 04.02.2012 02:47 schrieb "darrell pfeifer" : > > > c) the switch was pulled at a time when the main people who made the > change were available rather than known to be away at a conference > > > > We are reading, we have laptops, we can fix t

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 04.02.2012 02:47 schrieb "darrell pfeifer" : > c) the switch was pulled at a time when the main people who made the change were available rather than known to be away at a conference > We are reading, we have laptops, we can fix things what's your problem? -- devel mailing list devel@lists

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:47:10 -0800 darrell pfeifer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was supposed > > > to be confined by tagging to f17-usermo

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 05:53:04PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 17:47 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > As far as I've see

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM, darrell pfeifer wrote: > If you continue to repeat the "eating babies" myth then it will become > self-fulfilling. I would humbly suggest that use of future tense is that sentence is overly optimistic and is misleading. I think that sentence above reads more accura

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-04 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 03.02.2012 11:33, schrieb Kay Sievers: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:25, Frank Murphy wrote: >> On 02/02/12 18:47, Kay Sievers wrote: >>> >>> The former dracut ‘usrmove’ module has been renamed to ‘convertfs’. We >>> need to carry that option for quite some time through future releases >> >> Does

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 04.02.2012 03:50, schrieb Adam Williamson: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 18:10 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > >> If you want to respect people who are testing, then maybe there is >> something better than "we don't have to exercise any care and we don't >> care, wink, wink, grin." >> >> >> There isn

Re: filesystem

2012-02-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 18:10 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > >> If you want to respect people who are testing, then maybe there is >> something better than "we don't have to exercise any care and we don't >> care, wink, wink, grin." >> >> >>

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 18:10 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > If you want to respect people who are testing, then maybe there is > something better than "we don't have to exercise any care and we don't > care, wink, wink, grin." > > > There isn't anything in my request that seems difficult to do.

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:53, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 17:47 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > As far as I've seen on the lis

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 17:47 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson > wrote: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was > supposed to > > be con

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 17:15, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was supposed to > > be confined by tagging to f17-usermove so it wouldn't affect rawhide > > until the big switch was pulled. >

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:27 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was supposed to > be confined by tagging to f17-usermove so it wouldn't affect rawhide > until the big switch was pulled. Yes. We just pulled the big switch. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedo

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:49:12 -0800 darrell pfeifer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 16:33, Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: > > > > "dp" == darrell pfeifer writes: > > > > dp> As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was > > dp> supposed to be confined by tagging to f17-usermove so i

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 16:33, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "dp" == darrell pfeifer writes: > > dp> As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was supposed to > dp> be confined by tagging to f17-usermove so it wouldn't affect rawhide > dp> until the big switch was pulled. > > Well

Re: filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "dp" == darrell pfeifer writes: dp> As far as I've seen on the list, the /usr move stuff was supposed to dp> be confined by tagging to f17-usermove so it wouldn't affect rawhide dp> until the big switch was pulled. Well, yes, but the big switch has actually been pulled. - J< -- devel ma

filesystem

2012-02-03 Thread darrell pfeifer
2 Packages Total size: 2.0 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running Transaction Check ERROR You need to update rpm to handle: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64 RPM needs to be updated You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:25, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 02/02/12 18:47, Kay Sievers wrote: >> >> The former dracut ‘usrmove’ module has been renamed to ‘convertfs’. We >> need to carry that option for quite some time through future releases > > Does this mean that ‘convertfs’ will be build into dra

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 02/02/12 18:47, Kay Sievers wrote: The former dracut ‘usrmove’ module has been renamed to ‘convertfs’. We need to carry that option for quite some time through future releases Does this mean that ‘convertfs’ will be build into dracut-*? Does the user\tester have to keep doing "--force --ad

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-02 Thread Kay Sievers
lib → /usr/lib >  /lib64 → /usr/lib64 > > Some reasoning behind this change is outlined here: >  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge > > The official Fedora 17 feature page is here: >  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove > > The

Re: @ Harald Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 02/02/12 12:42, Rex Dieter wrote: Would the /usrmove script replace the hardlink with the softlink? no. -- rex Thanks Rex, Unfortunatly I'm not a scripter. -- Regards, Frank Murphy, friend of fedoraproject UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: @ Harald Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-02 Thread Rex Dieter
Frank Murphy wrote: > On 27/01/12 13:10, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> Hello Testers and rawhide Users, >> >> Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The >> directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: >> /bin → /usr/bin >> /sbin → /usr/sbin >> /lib → /usr/li

@ Harald Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/01/12 13:10, Harald Hoyer wrote: Hello Testers and rawhide Users, Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: /bin → /usr/bin /sbin → /usr/sbin /lib → /usr/lib /lib64 → /usr/lib64 if before the

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/01/2012 06:38 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said: To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility provides are needed. Strictly speaking, compatibility provide

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said: > >>>To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it > >>>wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility > >>>provides are needed. Strictly speaking, compatibility provides would > >>>be needed for ALL the

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Genes MailLists said: > Just asking - does a bind mount of /bin instead of a soft link help? That doesn't affect RPM database and yum metadata issues. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's eno

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/01/2012 04:41 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Emanuel Rietveld said: On 02/01/2012 01:32 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility provides are needed. Str

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/01/2012 09:41 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Emanuel Rietveld said: >> On 02/01/2012 01:32 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >>> To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it >>> wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility >>> provides

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Emanuel Rietveld said: > On 02/01/2012 01:32 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > >To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it > >wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility > >provides are needed. Strictly speaking, compatibility prov

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Emanuel Rietveld
On 02/01/2012 01:32 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it wont work for initial installation. So yes, those "fake" compatibility provides are needed. Strictly speaking, compatibility provides would be needed for ALL the moved files, not j

Re: [Rpm-maint] Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 01/31/2012 11:30 PM, James Antill wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 15:58 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 [root@nostrom

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 31 janvier 2012 21:32, James Antill a écrit : > Also, even if someone could fix rpm to work this out, making this work > at the yum layer is _much_ harder ... because the repodata does not > currently specify that /path/to/blah is a regular file or a symlink (and > if it's a symlink, what

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 02:38 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > > Installation fails at partitioning stage, with udisksd hitting "Error > > opening /etc/crypttab file: Failed to open file '/etc/crypttab': No such > > file or directory (g-file-error-quark, 4)" > > > > The file /etc/crypttab indeed doesn't

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 23:36, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 14:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> > Hello Testers and rawhide Users, >> > >> > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The >> > dire

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 14:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Hello Testers and rawhide Users, > > > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > > directories > > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Hello Testers and rawhide Users, > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > directories > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: > /bin → /usr/bin > /sbin → /usr/sbin > /lib → /usr/lib > /lib64 →

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 15:58 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > > Good to see everyone still doesn't read what I write. > > > > As I said, rpm _does something_ to make the above work for -qf (the > > above even works if you inside /cow ... as long as the /bin symlink > > exists!). > > However, it _does not_ work

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /bin/bash > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > > > rpm should already han

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:03 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > > To be precise: > > > > > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > > [root@nos

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 10:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff > > > wrote: > > > >> But you can add: > > > >> > > > >> Provides: /bin/foo > > > > > > > > Ugh!

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Genes MailLists
What would be the pros/cons of a bind mount instead of a soft link for /bin et al? gene -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Andreas Bierfert
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Add f17-usrmove in the file /etc/yum.repos.d/f17-usrmove.repo > [f17-usrmove] > name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch > failovermethod=priority > baseurl=http://koji.fedoraproject.org/repos/f17-usrmove/latest/$basearch > enabled=1 > metad

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:03 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > > To be precise: > > > > > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > > [root@nos

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > When calculating local on-system provides, it should - in fact, I'd be > surprised if it doesn't. Admins sometimes move directories around and > replace them with symlinks. Well, that's a very differ

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
prised if it doesn't. Admins sometimes move directories around and replace them with symlinks. Is the statement that it won't take it into account for an initial install transaction? (The solution then would be to merely not change the packaging outside of the filesystem package.) Bill --

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: >> Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: >> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff >> > wrote: >> > >>  But you can add: >> > >> >> > >> Provides: /bin/foo >> > > >> > > Ugh! Will that

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff > > wrote: > > >>  But you can add: > > >> > > >> Provides: /bin/foo > > > > > > Ugh! Will that be needed that across the distro for a release or two? > > > > h

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: > >>  But you can add: > >> > >> Provides: /bin/foo > > > > Ugh! Will that be needed that across the distro for a release or two? > > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=commitdif

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=commitdiff;h=09220fef36dcc2fe06bd858578119872f889c7e2 > > As you say, ugh!. Yeah, this is awful! Can't you push more strongly in FESCo for a revote? This "feature" really needs to be reconsidered, and hopefully thro

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: >>  But you can add: >> >> Provides: /bin/foo > > Ugh! Will that be needed that across the distro for a release or two? http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=commitdiff;h=09220fef36dcc2fe06bd858578119872f889c7e2 As you say

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Jan 30, 2012 5:37 PM, "James Antill" wrote: > > > For a trivial example -- if package A depends on /bin/foo, will yum & > > > rpm be satisfied with /usr/bin/foo? > > > > Assuming /bin -> /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. > > No, not in any meaningful way, although I assume all of the problems >

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 15:47 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > > > directories > > > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Assuming /bin -> /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. > > Wow, it follows the symlink created by a 3rd package. Technically, the link doesn't even need to be packaged; as long as /bin exis

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Assuming /bin -> /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. Wow, it follows the symlink created by a 3rd package. clever, m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get d

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > > directories > > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: > >  /bin → /usr/bin > > Interesting! > > Do we

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/30/2012 09:34 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 30/01/12 14:28, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>> >> Yes grep autorelabel /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30usrmove/* >> /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30usrmove/usrmove-convert.sh:echo "Set >> autorelabel flag." >> /u

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > directories > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: >  /bin → /usr/bin Interesting! Do we need to teach rpm / yum about the equivalence, when resolving depende

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On 30/01/12 14:28, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Yes grep autorelabel /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30usrmove/* /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30usrmove/usrmove-convert.sh:echo "Set autorelabel flag." /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30usrmove/usrmove-convert.sh:> "$ROOT/.autorelabel" What about on an already done b

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel J Walsh
, kernel-devel and > gcc from updates-testing (I have to compile acpi_call to turn off > my new "fusion" AMD card), the upgrade went without a hitch. > > Answering Dan's SELinux suggestion -- I tried doing the migration > with enforcing=0 -- at the next boot it still trie

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Hello Testers and rawhide Users, > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. > [...] You guys really are going to do this? If it were I, instead of combining, I'd be working through the list of what is where and star

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 28.01.2012 20:49, schrieb Garrett Holmstrom: > On 2012-01-27 5:10, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> Any files with conflicting names, which the conversion could not resolve, >> will >> be backed up to files named *.usrmove~ residing in /usr/lib, /usr/lib64, >> /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. > > To which file d

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-29 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
pgrade went without a hitch. Answering Dan's SELinux suggestion -- I tried doing the migration with enforcing=0 -- at the next boot it still tries to relabel the filesystem (I aborted once and booted with selinux=0 to verify everything is working, and am now doing the relabeling). Does the usrmove scr

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2012-01-27 5:10, Harald Hoyer wrote: Any files with conflicting names, which the conversion could not resolve, will be backed up to files named *.usrmove~ residing in /usr/lib, /usr/lib64, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. To which file does the conversion script append this suffix when it resolves a

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread John Ellson
On 01/27/2012 05:57 PM, John Ellson wrote: On 01/27/2012 08:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: Hello Testers and rawhide Users, Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: /bin → /usr/bin /sbin → /usr/sbin /lib

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread John Ellson
On 01/28/2012 06:48 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, John Ellson wrote: Another issue is that I have: /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [1.796642] Kernel panic - not syncing: att

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, John Ellson wrote: > Another issue is that I have: > >    /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory >   [    1.796642] Kernel panic - not syncing:  attempted to kill init! > > when trying t

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Adam Williamson
; > The needed changes to implement the unified filesystem are about to land in > rawhide soon. New installations of rawhide/Fedora 17 will install the symlinks > right away, and no special care needs to be taken Thanks for your work, Harald. So, as I mentioned in another follow-up, we didn&#

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread John Ellson
On 01/27/2012 08:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: Hello Testers and rawhide Users, Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: /bin → /usr/bin /sbin → /usr/sbin /lib → /usr/lib /lib64 → /usr/lib64 Mostly wo

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Harald Hoyer wrote: > A screenshot of a successful conversion process is here: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/usrmove-convert-log.png So this copies the whole affected directories and then swaps in the copy, right? That means it needs enough disk space left in / to carry full copies of bin

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/01/12 14:12, Harald Hoyer wrote: Have you checked "enforcing=0" instead? If this worked, you'd not need to relabel the whole system, but only the parts affected by the move. Or so I'd like to believe ;-). Nils Feel free to test! :-) Finished fist kvm_guest selinux=1 enforcing=1 no pr

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Harald Hoyer
Finally my VM relabeled everything after 8 hours. Seems to work fine with selinux enabled. Should have booted with "enforce=0" and removed the .autorelabel creation from the conversion script. Will test that version on Monday. Am 27.01.2012 14:36 schrieb "Michal Schmidt" : > On 01/27/2012 02:10

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Daniel J Walsh
srMove > > The needed changes to implement the unified filesystem are about to > land in rawhide soon. New installations of rawhide/Fedora 17 will > install the symlinks right away, and no special care needs to be > taken > > Currently installed systems need some manual steps

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 27.01.2012 15:03, schrieb Nils Philippsen: > On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> - append “selinux=0” for now, because the relabeling in a converted F16 >> system >> does not seem to work properly at this moment > > Have you checked "enforcing=0" instead? If this work

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 14:10 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > - append “selinux=0” for now, because the relabeling in a converted F16 > system > does not seem to work properly at this moment Have you checked "enforcing=0" instead? If this worked, you'd not need to relabel the whole system, but only

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/01/12 13:10, Harald Hoyer wrote: Update the installed initramfs image for your current kernel, and instruct dracut to include the dracut module to convert your current filesystem: # dracut --force --add usrmove Is it only a one off this image? The next update for kernel, will know of

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Harald Hoyer
nt kernel, and >> instruct dracut to include the dracut module to convert your current >> filesystem: # dracut --force --add usrmove >> >> If dracut detects ‘rd.usrmove’ on the kernel command line at bootup, >> it starts the filesystem conversion of the root filesystem

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/27/2012 02:10 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: SELinux relabelling should take effect after you rebooted your updated system and can take a long time (at least in a VM it takes insanely long and is still not finished). We are currently investigating, what seem to take so long, so you might consider

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Stijn Hoop
te dracut This will hit me soon automatically (as it is in rawhide proper, and I update regularly). > Update the installed initramfs image for your current kernel, and > instruct dracut to include the dracut module to convert your current > filesystem: # dracut --force --add usrmov

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-27 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 27.01.2012 14:10, schrieb Harald Hoyer: > ... > Download and install the most recent dracut package from rawhide: > # yum --enablerepo=rawhide update dracut > ... you should have at least: dracut-014-77.git20120126.fc17 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

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