Re: [F29 only] Dropping requirements for initscripts package from specfiles

2018-07-04 Thread Peter Robinson
aking Fedora being able to function completely without the >> > 'initscripts' package (hopefully) some day in the future. I have done some >> > cleanup in initscripts recently, and I would like to ask maintainers of >> > packages listed below to check if their package(s) sti

Re: [F29 only] Dropping requirements for initscripts package from specfiles

2018-07-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:16 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] > wrote: > > Hello people, > > > > I'm working on making Fedora being able to function completely without the > > 'initscripts' pa

Re: [F29 only] Dropping requirements for initscripts package from specfiles

2018-07-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] wrote: > Hello people, > > I'm working on making Fedora being able to function completely without the > 'initscripts' package (hopefully) some day in the future. I have done some > cleanup in initscript

[F29 only] Dropping requirements for initscripts package from specfiles

2018-06-19 Thread David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
Hello people, I'm working on making Fedora being able to function completely without the 'initscripts' package (hopefully) some day in the future. I have done some cleanup in initscripts recently, and I would like to ask maintainers of packages listed below to check if their p

Re: initscripts

2015-02-09 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >> >> > What's the recommended way for a user to find out which of the three >> > GUIs it is that pops up when one clicks on a menu entry, when the >> > window

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 00:38 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Whether it has the options, and I didn't see them when using it > yesterday, it is Not Your Friend(tm). The GUI's do not provide > enough fine resolution, they display nothing of what the actual > config files touched are or what th

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 11:16 +0100, Dan Williams wrote: > Assuming the current versions of the various DEs, then in GNOME, the > thing you're looking at is the GNOME tools. If you're in KDE, then > it's the KDE tools. If you're in XFCE/LXDE, then it's likely nm- > connection-editor. So I guess

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread poma
On 03.02.2015 14:16, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > poma píše v Čt 22. 01. 2015 v 18:44 +0100: >> Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo >> >> I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. >> But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we h

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
poma píše v Čt 22. 01. 2015 v 18:44 +0100: > Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo > > I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. > But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have > NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd,

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > > > What's the recommended way for a user to find out which of the three > > GUIs it is that pops up when one clicks on a menu entry, when the > > window title is something generic like "network configuration

Re: initscripts

2015-02-03 Thread Björn Persson
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > > > What's the recommended way for a user to find out which of the three > > GUIs it is that pops up when one clicks on a menu entry, when the > > window title is something generic like "network configuration" and

Re: initscripts

2015-02-02 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > What's the recommended way for a user to find out which of the three > GUIs it is that pops up when one clicks on a menu entry, when the > window title is something generic like "network configuration" and > there is no about dialog? Run "ps

Re: initscripts

2015-02-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 06:19 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Dan Williams wrote: > >I'd also point out that there are three different NetworkManager GUIs, > >and one TUI: > > > >1) GNOME Shell network settings - not really targeted for server > >environments, has a smaller set of options that are suit

Re: initscripts

2015-02-01 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Williams wrote: >I'd also point out that there are three different NetworkManager GUIs, >and one TUI: > >1) GNOME Shell network settings - not really targeted for server >environments, has a smaller set of options that are suitable for >desktop/workstation use-cases > >2) nm-connection-editor -

Re: initscripts

2015-01-28 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 22:20 -0500, Scott Schmit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:18:31PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > > NetworkManager is not intended only for mobile devices or notebooks, > > because that's a small part of the networking story. Plus, more than > > just notebooks have needs for

Re: initscripts

2015-01-28 Thread Miloslav Trmač
> and the main point is: there is no need to replace network.service on > *any* static configured machine (As a short-time initscripts comaintainer way-back-when:) There may not be a need for anything smarter than init.d/network for machines with _trivial_ static configuration

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:18:31PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: >> NetworkManager is not intended only for mobile devices or notebooks, >> because that's a small part of the networking story. Plus, more than >> just notebooks have needs for th

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Scott Schmit
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:18:31PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > NetworkManager is not intended only for mobile devices or notebooks, > because that's a small part of the networking story. Plus, more than > just notebooks have needs for the things that NetworkManager brings to > the table. > > If

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.01.2015 um 01:23 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/27/2015 08:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: We hope that NM can be installed on most systems, and will be there when required and useful, but will get out of the way when not required. Well I can confirm that NM pretty much does exactly th

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/27/2015 08:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: We hope that NM can be installed on most systems, and will be there when required and useful, but will get out of the way when not required. Well I can confirm that NM pretty much does exactly that seeing as I have been running networkd for couple o

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.01.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Dan Williams: On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 20:56 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: there is a usecase for NM, surely, but not for me and not for a lot of other people working professional in serious setups and tend to configure personal workstations left and right as much as

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > I have to admit that I remain pretty unhappy with NetworkManager. > It's a complex GUI on top of the underlying actual iinit scrupts, it Um. No it isn't. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood what NetworkManager is. You see

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 20:56 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.01.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > >> On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> > >>> * KVM bridge configuration > >> > >> Works fin

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.01.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: * KVM bridge configuration Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and my server VM host. Test

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and > my server VM host. Testing now on a VM, with the Fedora 21 Workstation

Re: initscripts

2015-01-26 Thread poma
Allo 'Allo >>>> >>>> I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. >>>> But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have >>>> NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd, >>>> when wil

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
o "modernize" Fedora. > >> But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have > >> NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd, > >> when will this package "fall off"? > > We're slowly working on removing things

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > * KVM bridge configuration Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and my server VM host. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.01.2015 um 17:09 schrieb poma: On 25.01.2015 17:02, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: also bridge configuration should be possible, but I have not really tried it with NM. In NetworkManager it is already settled in F20, and furthermore works in NetworkD. Will they still appear someone "who has

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 23.01.2015 16:02, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 06:44:08PM +0100, poma wrote: >> >> Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo >> >> I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. >> But what about RHEL relictum - initscri

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 17:02, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: > also bridge configuration should be possible, but I have not really > tried it with NM. In NetworkManager it is already settled in F20, and furthermore works in NetworkD. Will they still appear someone "who has not tried it yet"? :) -- devel m

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2015-01-25 15:49 GMT+02:00 Nico Kadel-Garcia : > > And especially because there are at least 3 things that NetworkManager > does badly, if at all:These are: > > * pair bonding > * KVM bridge configuration > * VLAN tagging > > It tidn't handle them *at all* the last time I ran Fedora on a server, >

Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 23.01.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Dan Winship: >> >> On 01/23/2015 10:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> on servers and static machines you don't need any dynamic network >>> configuration >> >> >> which is why NM in F22 will have a "confi

Re: initscripts

2015-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Dan Winship: On 01/23/2015 10:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: on servers and static machines you don't need any dynamic network configuration which is why NM in F22 will have a "configure-and-quit" mode for such machines which is still no valid reason to reconfig

Re: initscripts

2015-01-23 Thread Dan Winship
On 01/23/2015 10:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > on servers and static machines you don't need any dynamic network > configuration which is why NM in F22 will have a "configure-and-quit" mode for such machines -- Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: initscripts

2015-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.01.2015 um 18:44 schrieb poma: Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd, when will this package "fal

Re: initscripts

2015-01-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 06:44:08PM +0100, poma wrote: > > Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo > > I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. > But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have > NetworkManager/ModemManager and syste

initscripts

2015-01-23 Thread poma
Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora. But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd, when will this package "fall off"? poma -- devel mailing list

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:38:07PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > Network initscript. This will be probably the most controversial part. > In fedora 21 we will have three different tools for networking > (initscripts, NetworkManager and systemd-networkd) and all of them > will be

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
ctl.conf > > > > > >Can we have a joint initscripts + systemd release in a few days to > > >change ownership of those files? > > > > Sounds great. I will removed that from "upstream" and let you know. > > Historically, configuration like these (asid

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Scherer (m...@zarb.org) said: > > For LSB, there is an explicit promise that if a vendor does what is > > specified, the package will be possible to install and will run > > correctly. We do, of course, have the option to repudiate LSB and > > explicitly say we don't care for future relea

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lukáš Nykrýn (lnyk...@redhat.com) said: > >Also the sysctl stuff should be consumed by systemd: > >/usr/lib/sysctl.d/00-system.conf > >/etc/sysctl.conf > >/etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf > > > >Can we have a joint initscripts + systemd release in a few days t

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-28 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-26 11:24 GMT+02:00 Michael Scherer : > Le vendredi 25 avril 2014 à 19:30 +0200, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : > > For LSB, there is an explicit promise that if a vendor does what is > > specified, the package will be possible to install and will run > > correctly. We do, of course, have the op

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.04.2014 11:24, schrieb Michael Scherer: > Le vendredi 25 avril 2014 à 19:30 +0200, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : >> And it's not only commercial software; private projects that make no >> sense to publish (such as a company's web site) are equally affected >> such changes. Simply spoken, if we ca

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 25 avril 2014 à 19:30 +0200, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : > > For LSB, there is an explicit promise that if a vendor does what is > specified, the package will be possible to install and will run > correctly. We do, of course, have the option to repudiate LSB and > explicitly say we don'

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.04.2014 02:01, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/25/2014 10:53 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> I don't think our foundations ever implied that we need or want to be a >> closed ecosystem restricted to only the >> repository we produce. The just don't address this. > > You must understan

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 10:53 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I don't think our foundations ever implied that we need or want to be a closed ecosystem restricted to only the repository we produce. The just don't address this. You must understand we cannot keep back process in the distribution, be it cl

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-26 0:37 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 04/25/2014 05:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> That's certainly an option but it's not the only one; see the recent >> "Functional" threads for example. >> > > Sorry I did not want to get involved in yet another attack on our > foundation,

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 05:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: That's certainly an option but it's not the only one; see the recent "Functional" threads for example. Sorry I did not want to get involved in yet another attack on our foundation, Last time I checked Fedora was not LSB certified nor compliant s

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 19:30, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > 2014-04-25 12:40 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson": > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, > somewhere might be using legacy cruff. > > It's better for everybody they

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-25 12:40 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> >> Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >> > > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 01:30:00PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > Dne 25.4.2014 13:24, Reindl Harald napsal(a): > > > > > >Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: > >>Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): > >>>Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 13:24, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora.

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: > Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): >> Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >>> >>> Which is what we care about

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someo

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 12:58, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/25/2014 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >>> Which is what we care about

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 02:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:38:07PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, for the F22 I am planning some bigger changes regarding initscripts and I would like to ask for comments. Initscripts package was in the past a crucial part of the

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someone,

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> >> Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. > > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be usi

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be using legacy cruff. It's better for everybody they themselves i

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 12:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: I too think that this split is a lot of work for small gain. Working out the full dependencies set of what needs what is going to take a while, but I think it would be better to simply shrink the package to nothing in small steps. I al

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-24 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:38:07PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > Hi, > for the F22 I am planning some bigger changes regarding initscripts > and I would like to ask for comments. > > Initscripts package was in the past a crucial part of the system. > They basicaly set up whole

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-24 18:13 GMT+02:00 Casey Dahlin : > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 05:55:29PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > Hello, > > 2014-04-24 16:38 GMT+02:00 Lukáš Nykrýn : > > > > > We must keep initscripts support, but I can imagine a setup where every > > > se

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-24 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 05:55:29PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, > 2014-04-24 16:38 GMT+02:00 Lukáš Nykrýn : > > > We must keep initscripts support, but I can imagine a setup where every > > service uses a systemd unit, so this part does not have to be installed by &

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, 2014-04-24 16:38 GMT+02:00 Lukáš Nykrýn : > We must keep initscripts support, but I can imagine a setup where every > service uses a systemd unit, so this part does not have to be installed by > default, but could be pulled in as a dependency. > Are you sure? If you take an

[RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-24 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Hi, for the F22 I am planning some bigger changes regarding initscripts and I would like to ask for comments. Initscripts package was in the past a crucial part of the system. They basicaly set up whole system during the boot. Currently initscripts package contains "support" for i

Note: planning to drop upstart support from initscripts

2012-07-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Upstart has been orphaned in rawhide since 2012-04-26. I would like to drop support for it from the initscripts package proper, but if someone is willing to maintain upstart, I'd be glad to give you the boot infrastrucutre bits therein in whatever form you'd like to maintain along wi

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > > Fixed in git, thanks for the report. > > BTW: A nice way to make activation of services conditional based on > existance of a file is the relatively new ConditionPathExists= setting > in [Unit]. If the file listed there doesn't exist, then the u

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-27 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 22.10.10 13:21, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: > > Yanko Kaneti (yan...@declera.com) said: > > Which seems to be caused by a "missing" /etc/crypttab > > I've never had this file apparently. > > # touch /etc/crypttab > > and the systems seem to boot as exected > > Fixed in g

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-27 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 10/21/2010 04:43 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ > > This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages > that test the conversion of various boot-time actions t

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Yanko Kaneti (yan...@declera.com) said: > Which seems to be caused by a "missing" /etc/crypttab > I've never had this file apparently. > # touch /etc/crypttab > and the systems seem to boot as exected Fixed in git, thanks for the report. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-22 Thread Michał Piotrowski
rg: >>>  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ >>> >>> This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages >>> that test the conversion of various boot-time actions to systemd >>> services. (Essentially, rc.sysinit is dea

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-22 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/21/2010 12:47 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > 2010/10/21 Bill Nottingham : >> I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ >> >> This

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Yanko Kaneti
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 09:03 +0300, Yanko Kaneti wrote: .. > which seems to be caused by > fedora-init-crypto-1.service - Initialize encrypted storage > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/fedora-init-crypto-1.service) > Active: failed since [Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:57:39 +0300; 1min 24s

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Yanko Kaneti
> > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ > > > > > > Didn't automount anything from fstab other than /, not even /home. Even > > > when I logged in on the console with a user that has a home directory > > > there. Manuall

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > Yanko Kaneti (yan...@declera.com) said: > > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:43 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: > > > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ &g

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Yanko Kaneti (yan...@declera.com) said: > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:43 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: > > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ > > Didn't automount anything from fstab other than /

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 21 października 2010 20:50 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski napisał: > 2010/10/21 Bill Nottingham : >> I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >>  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ >> >> This repo includes updated initscripts and asso

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/10/21 Bill Nottingham : > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ > > This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages > that test the conversion of various boot-time actions to systemd >

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread j...@ocjtech.us
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages > that test the conversion of various boot-time actions to systemd > services. (Essentially, rc.sysinit is dead.) Before putting this > in rawhide, we want to

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/10/21 drago01 : > > Any SELINUX avcs? indeed there is an AVC (I forgot about SELinux :) - I do not use it and I forgot to turn it off after installation) type=AVC msg=audit(1287683664.377:70): avc: denied { getattr } for pid=1679 comm="dhclient" path="/etc/pki/tls/openssl.cnf" dev=sda2 ino

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread drago01
2010/10/21 Michał Piotrowski : > Hi, > > 2010/10/21 Bill Nottingham : >> I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >>  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ >> >> This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages >> t

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2010/10/21 Bill Nottingham : > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: >  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ > > This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages > that test the conversion of various boot-time actions to systemd >

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Yanko Kaneti
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:43 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ Didn't automount anything from fstab other than /, not even /home. Even when I logged in on the console with a user

Re: experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:43:33AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ I'll try it this afternoon. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Comput

experimental systemd + initscripts repo

2010-10-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
I've set up a repo on r.fp.org: http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/notting/initscripts-systemd/ This repo includes updated initscripts and associated packages that test the conversion of various boot-time actions to systemd services. (Essentially, rc.sysinit is dead.) Before putting th

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: >> $ rpm -q NetworkManager initscripts >> NetworkManager-0.8.0-0.4.git20100211.fc13.x86_64 >> initscripts-9.11-1.fc13.x86_64 >> >> $ sudo yum --disablerepo=updates update initscripts NetworkManager run: sudo

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-09 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
r F13 from a few days after initscripts was build that, for >>> some reason, was never pushed as an update: >>> >>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172856 >>> >>> Are these two updates supposed to go together? I downloaded all

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 00:42 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim > wrote: > > Here are the x86_64 package versions: > > > > $ rpm -q NetworkManager initscripts > > NetworkManager-0.8.0-0.4.git20100211.fc13

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-07 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Michel Alexandre Salim (michael.silva...@gmail.com) said: >> The update conflicts with NetworkManager; there is a NetworkManager >> build for F13 from a few days after initscripts was build that, for >> some reason, w

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-07 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > Here are the x86_64 package versions: > > $ rpm -q NetworkManager initscripts > NetworkManager-0.8.0-0.4.git20100211.fc13.x86_64 > initscripts-9.11-1.fc13.x86_64 > > and on the netbook: > > $ rpm -q

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michel Alexandre Salim (michael.silva...@gmail.com) said: > The update conflicts with NetworkManager; there is a NetworkManager > build for F13 from a few days after initscripts was build that, for > some reason, was never pushed as an update: > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 02 juin 2010 à 18:37 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > Handling this with systemd is very easy: you can just drop in a file in > /etc/init.d/foo *AND* /etc/systemd/system/foo.service from the same > package. And then, if something that is not systemd is booted it will > only see t

initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-06 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
The update conflicts with NetworkManager; there is a NetworkManager build for F13 from a few days after initscripts was build that, for some reason, was never pushed as an update: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172856 Are these two updates supposed to go together? I

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-04 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 06:52:51PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Patrice Dumas wrote: > > I think that this would be a huge mistake. Enrico is a very talented > > packagers he generally is ahead of his time. I was myself sometimes > > annoyed by the peculiarities of his packages, but he always compl

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrice Dumas wrote: > I think that this would be a huge mistake. Enrico is a very talented > packagers he generally is ahead of his time. I was myself sometimes > annoyed by the peculiarities of his packages, but he always comply to > guidelines. No he doesn't. For example, SVN revision tags in V

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-04 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:13:02PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > Fedora have upstart as the /sbin/init daemon for a long time, but we > still use the old 'SysVinit' scripts from /etc/rc.d/init.d and fedora > packaging guideline have nothing about upstart. > > Is it right for the maintainer to provide  

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-04 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 04:43:58AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chen Lei wrote: > > I found the maintainer violates fedora package/naming guideline many > > times, we need a people to persuade him to obey those guideline. > > IMHO we need to unsponsor him and orphan his packages. There are way too

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