Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-23 Thread Andy Grimm
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 20.10.14 15:08, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> > But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is >> > systemd now optio

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-21 Thread Lars Kellogg-Stedman
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Hmm, not sure I follow here. Since when is systemd an optional > component in Fedora? I have been spending much of my time building Fedora-based Docker containers recently. I've been sticking to the one-process-per-container mo

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 20.10.14 15:08, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is > > systemd now optional in Fedora? > > I guess to some degree everything is "optional

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 08:56:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > But again, I am not sure I understand what is going on here. Is > systemd now optional in Fedora? I guess to some degree everything is "optional" in one way or another. It's certainly the init system we are using. I think the co

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-20 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 15.10.14 16:10, Jan Chaloupka (jchal...@redhat.com) wrote: > Hi, > > there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users > which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus > don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on > syst

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 05:10 PM, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Have you considered installing the timer file, but without the dependency? If systemd is there, it could use it, otherwise not. That would make a whole lot more sense to me than creating another package, and would be my recommendation. Nope, th

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
On 10/16/2014 04:49 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 10/16/2014 01:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adam

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 01:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: there h

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:35:13AM +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: > Forwarding Colin's response > = > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > >Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: > >> there has been a discussion about if we need cache for

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 16.10.2014 v 14:09 Matthew Miller napsal(a): > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:54:41PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: >> Which goes back to the idea of either moving %{_unitdir} to the >> filesystem package, or having a systemd-filesystem package... I can't see nothing against guidelines [1]. They sa

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:54:41PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > Which goes back to the idea of either moving %{_unitdir} to the > filesystem package, or having a systemd-filesystem package... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153638 -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- devel

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/16/2014 12:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:53:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: I discussed this with Peter Schiffer and the end result was in the future the man-db cron should be removed and man-db database should be updated with rpm triggerand the cron j

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:53:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I discussed this with Peter Schiffer and the end result was in the > future the man-db cron should be removed and man-db database should > be updated with rpm triggerand the cron job should be kept as is > until then, presic

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 13:34 +0200, Jan Chaloupka wrote: > On 10/16/2014 12:56 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): > >> Forwarding Colin's response [... snip ...] > >> Have you considered installing the timer file, but without the > >> dependency? If systemd i

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
On 10/16/2014 12:56 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: there has been a discussion about if w

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 16.10.2014 v 10:35 Jan Chaloupka napsal(a): > Forwarding Colin's response > = > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: >> > there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for >> us

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-16 Thread Jan Chaloupka
Forwarding Colin's response = On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:47:41AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: > there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users > which use man pages or update system only from time to ti

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:36:49PM +0200, Ondrej Vasik wrote: > On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: > > > On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > >Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: >

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/15/2014 05:36 PM, Ondrej Vasik wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: there has been a discussion abou

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Ondrej Vasik
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: > > On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > >Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: > > >>there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:12:07PM +0200, Peter Schiffer wrote: > On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: > >>there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users > >>which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Peter Schiffer
On 10/15/2014 04:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on syst

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jan Chaloupka said: > there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users > which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus > don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on > systemd which brings another set of packag

man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

2014-10-15 Thread Jan Chaloupka
Hi, there has been a discussion about if we need cache for man-db for users which use man pages or update system only from time to time and thus don't need to update cache every day. man-db as it is now depends on systemd which brings another set of packages. The use case is "I just want to read