Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-18 Thread Steve Dickson
Hello, On 01/16/2017 03:11 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: > Hello, > > The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS > servers are configured, for the good IMHO... > > All daemon configuration now goes through /etc/nfs.conf. > See nfs.conf(5) for details. > > The command line interfaces

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-17 Thread J. Bruce Fields
Unless somebody's created an /etc/nfs.conf file, we should assume they're still using /etc/sysconfig/nfs. That shouldn't be difficult, and I don't see why we can't do that indefinitely. The goal should definitely be not to break any working setups on upgrade. --b. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 03:11:

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-17 Thread Steve Dickson
On 01/16/2017 06:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 05:38:03PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: >>> If there's going to be breakage, i.e. no migration tool or script, >>> then that can't apply retroactively. Just silently breaking Fedora 25 >>> is not OK, I predict only widespread

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-17 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > > A hard break for Fedora 26 or 27 still makes me wonder why there's no > > migration tool or script, rather than expect people with possibly > > complex setups to have to redo configuration by hand? > Yes.. this is the problem.. How does one migrate from one configuration > model to anot

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Michael Watters
Ideally the package should have an upgrade script included to translate any values set in /etc/sysconfig/nfs into /etc/nfs.conf. I also believe it would be best to hold off any breaking changes until Fedora 26. On 1/16/17 5:24 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: > I can't agree with this more... How does on

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 05:38:03PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: > > If there's going to be breakage, i.e. no migration tool or script, > > then that can't apply retroactively. Just silently breaking Fedora 25 > > is not OK, I predict only widespread irritation. > No.. breaking f25 will not happen...

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Dickson
On 01/16/2017 05:16 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > It's definitely a change. > > If there's going to be breakage, i.e. no migration tool or script, > then that can't apply retroactively. Just silently breaking Fedora 25 > is not OK, I predict only widespread irritation. No.. breaking f25 will not happen

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 05:24:28PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: > Understood... I see this as similar to migrating from the SysV init > scripts to systemd... what of tools where there for that? I didn't > see many... which is fine. Well, systemd offers backwards compatibility — old-style init scrip

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Dickson
On 01/16/2017 04:58 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: >> >> On 01/16/2017 03:25 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: Hello, The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS ser

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Chris Murphy
It's definitely a change. If there's going to be breakage, i.e. no migration tool or script, then that can't apply retroactively. Just silently breaking Fedora 25 is not OK, I predict only widespread irritation. A hard break for Fedora 26 or 27 still makes me wonder why there's no migration tool

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: > > > On 01/16/2017 03:25 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS >>> servers are configured, for the good IMHO... >>> >>> A

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Ben Cotton
Steve, The change process is documented at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy The release notes beats writers will generally search the change list for changes relevant to their beat. The change proposal template includes a place for you to draft a release note or include information t

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Dickson
On 01/16/2017 03:25 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: >> Hello, >> >> The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS >> servers are configured, for the good IMHO... >> >> All daemon configuration now goes through /etc/nfs.conf. >> See nf

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Dickson
On 01/16/2017 03:24 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > This strikes me as something that really should go through the change > process. Based on the schedule, you could still get into Rawhide for > eventual inclusion in f26. I'll be more than willing to do that.. Please advise. > As for documenting, it shou

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread John Florian
On Mon, 2017-01-16 at 15:11 -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: Hello, The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS servers are configured, for the good IMHO... All daemon configuration now goes through /etc/nfs.conf. See nfs.conf(5) for details. The command line interfaces in the syst

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: > Hello, > > The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS > servers are configured, for the good IMHO... > > All daemon configuration now goes through /etc/nfs.conf. > See nfs.conf(5) for details. > > The command line interface

Re: nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Ben Cotton
This strikes me as something that really should go through the change process. Based on the schedule, you could still get into Rawhide for eventual inclusion in f26. As for documenting, it should definitely get a release note that gives at least some description of the change. If there are more co

nfs-utils-2.1.1 Changes Everything!

2017-01-16 Thread Steve Dickson
Hello, The latest nfs-utils release drastically changes how the NFS servers are configured, for the good IMHO... All daemon configuration now goes through /etc/nfs.conf. See nfs.conf(5) for details. The command line interfaces in the systemd services files have been removed. Which means all you