Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-05 Thread Christof Damian
I would find it interesting too. Not only about the usage of my packages, but it might also be interesting to know what packages are installed from other repositories (fusion, adobe, skype, remi, ...) . I think it would help to make decisions about what packages to keep supporting or include in

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/5/3 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se: Thomas Janssen wrote: Good question about on or off by default. To make sense it should be on by default. NO! Popcon may have its uses, and I actually have it enabled on my Debian boxes, but it *must* be strictly opt-in. If it were on by

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 10:03:34PM +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: - Helps to decide if a package can be easily removed from Fedora (upstream dead, no users left, good bye is no problem) Sounds like another tool to beat maintainers with. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 10:03:34PM +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: - Helps to decide if a package can be easily removed from Fedora (upstream dead, no users left, good bye is no problem) Sounds like another tool to beat

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Björn Persson
Thomas Janssen wrote: Well, i wouldn't call a software that counts serverside downloads of FOSS software and gives based on that downloads/installations, a popularity suggestion in packagekit, spyware. There's nothing at all that gets sent out of your box. Remind, i'm not speaking of

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/5/4 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se: Thomas Janssen wrote: Well, i wouldn't call a software that counts serverside downloads of FOSS software and gives based on that downloads/installations, a popularity suggestion in packagekit, spyware. There's nothing at all that gets sent

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread devzero2000
2010/5/4 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se Thomas Janssen wrote: Well, i wouldn't call a software that counts serverside downloads of FOSS software and gives based on that downloads/installations, a popularity suggestion in packagekit, spyware. There's nothing at all that gets

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread yersinia
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM, devzero2000 pinto.e...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/4 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se Thomas Janssen wrote: Well, i wouldn't call a software that counts serverside downloads of FOSS software and gives based on that downloads/installations, a popularity

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:25:10 +0200 yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: Would be interesting to have in Fedora something like this http://popcon.debian.org/ ? Look interesting from a QA point of view. It's been suggested many times before, but no one has really stepped forward to

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
It's been suggested many times before, but no one has really stepped forward to champion it. ;) There is an rpm version being worked on by an OpenSUSE person: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/popcorn Something would need to be packaged, tested, etc. Then the problem becomes what data to

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 19:20 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: It's been suggested many times before, but no one has really stepped forward to champion it. ;) There is an rpm version being worked on by an OpenSUSE person: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/popcorn Something would need to

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Montag, den 03.05.2010, 11:52 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On Sun, 2 May 2010 17:25:10 +0200 yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: Would be interesting to have in Fedora something like this http://popcon.debian.org/ ? Look interesting from a QA point of view. It's been

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: Look interesting from a QA point of view. How exactly is this interesting from a QA pov in Fedora? Smolt profiles I can understand being useful for QA because it gives us some ability to look for commonalities when

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2010-05-03 09:25:06 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to let MirrorManager do that? This way each mirror can save a counter per package and publish them statically on the server side. To get a total amount of the data, all counter files from all servers needs to be collected and

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread yersinia
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: Look interesting from a QA point of view. How exactly is this interesting from a QA pov in Fedora? Smolt profiles I can understand being useful

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: - Superb information for us packagers if and how much (of course not the correct value) users use the software i package It may or may not be superb information...but you haven't told me how collecting this

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:19 PM, yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, I can try. If one software is used  many time from many user, directly or indirectly, and it have not such many  problems (e.g bug open on bugzilla for example ), well this  could guide to the decision of the

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: - Superb information for us packagers if and how much (of course not the correct value) users use the software i package It may or may not

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: To make sense it should be on by default. Good luck with that. I strongly suggest that any usage which only makes sense with on by default is not a usage you can rely on as a strawman. The popularity application

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Montag, den 03.05.2010, 23:30 +0200 schrieb Björn Persson: Thomas Janssen wrote: Good question about on or off by default. To make sense it should be on by default. NO! Popcon may have its uses, and I actually have it enabled on my Debian boxes, but it *must* be strictly opt-in. If it

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 13:32 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: The popularity application idea would be a compelling user benefit..but popcon as constructed really doesn't integrate well enough to give users useful popular application suggestions in a way that makes sense. We'd need something that

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Björn Persson
Thomas Spura wrote: I don't think it's spyware, if it's enabled by default on the server side, do you? e.g. sourceforge does the same with their statistics counter (or any other web counter online). No, extracting download statistics from web server logs isn't spyware. Spyware is software

popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-02 Thread yersinia
Would be interesting to have in Fedora something like this http://popcon.debian.org/ ? Look interesting from a QA point of view. Regards -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel