Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-12 Thread Neal Becker
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 09:00:55AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: >> >> I always try out packages first via easy_install or pip (after checking they >> are not already available via yum). >> >> Yes, I could try things via virtualenv, but I'm just not in that habit - and >> I

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-12 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 13:52 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: > c) If we want to have as many Python packages packaged in RPMs (the > terminology is going to kill me soon) do we have some pip2spec (in the > same manner as there is cpan2spec)? Reading this I wrote that: https://github.com/pypingou/pypi2sp

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-11 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 09:00:55AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > > I always try out packages first via easy_install or pip (after checking they > are > not already available via yum). > > Yes, I could try things via virtualenv, but I'm just not in that habit - and > I > suspect many others are

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-11 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 01:52:08PM +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: > b) distutils v. setuptools conflict is just an unfortunate testimony > of immature bad state of the Python upstream packaging, but it seems > to me that generally Python world is moving towards setuptools. > Shouldn't we follow the suite

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-11 Thread Alexander Boström
fre 2012-02-10 klockan 11:38 -0500 skrev Neal Becker: > 80 wrote: > > Never use pip outside an isolated environment (use virtualenv) > > > > H. > > Really? This is the only answer? Does it help if we add that virtualenv is really useful? You can use it to install a completely new copy of an a

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-11 Thread Neal Becker
Matej Cepl wrote: > On 10.2.2012 18:09, 80 wrote: >> Python guidelines recommends that packagers installs python eggs using >> distutils (python setup.py install as recommended in guidelines) while >> pip use the same install method as easy_install (provided by >> setuptools/distribute). The forme

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-11 Thread Matej Cepl
On 10.2.2012 18:09, 80 wrote: Python guidelines recommends that packagers installs python eggs using distutils (python setup.py install as recommended in guidelines) while pip use the same install method as easy_install (provided by setuptools/distribute). The former one install egg metadata as a

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:32:31 -0500 Neal Becker wrote: > I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete > failure of update from f15->f16 for example). Yeah... My answer to this was: \o/ PACKAGE ALL THE THNGS !!! O// So I got git-review included into Fedora, wh

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Neal Becker
Haïkel Guémar wrote: > Le 10/02/2012 19:20, Neal Becker a écrit : >> >> Yes, but trying to be helpful to users is a fedora packaging/rpm issue. >> > > Generally speaking, mixing RPM packages with development platform here> native packages is not doing a favor to our > users. > I agree that some

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 10/02/2012 19:20, Neal Becker a écrit : > > Yes, but trying to be helpful to users is a fedora packaging/rpm issue. > Generally speaking, mixing RPM packages with native packages is not doing a favor to our users. I agree that some users may need more up-to-date modules, but isolated environme

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Neal Becker
80 wrote: > 2012/2/10 Neal Becker : >> >> Really? This is the only answer? Can't we tweek rpm/yum to accomodate this? >> Does anyone understand what is causing it? Why would pip install the >> egg-info differently than rpm? >> >> -- >> devel mailing list >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> http

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:38:20AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > 80 wrote: > > > 2012/2/10 Neal Becker : > >> I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete > >> failure of update from f15->f16 for example). > >> > >> Between packages installed via pip, and packages instal

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread 80
2012/2/10 Neal Becker : > > Really?  This is the only answer?  Can't we tweek rpm/yum to accomodate this? > Does anyone understand what is causing it?  Why would pip install the egg-info > differently than rpm? > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Neal Becker
80 wrote: > 2012/2/10 Neal Becker : >> I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete >> failure of update from f15->f16 for example). >> >> Between packages installed via pip, and packages installed via yum, some >> packages seem to switch between >> >> e.g., >> numpy-1

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 2/10/12 11:32 AM, Neal Becker wrote: I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete failure of update from f15->f16 for example). Between packages installed via pip, and packages installed via yum, some packages seem to switch between e.g., numpy-1.6.1-py2.7.egg-in

Re: serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread 80
2012/2/10 Neal Becker : > I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete > failure of update from f15->f16 for example). > > Between packages installed via pip, and packages installed via yum, some > packages seem to switch between > > e.g., > numpy-1.6.1-py2.7.egg-info >

serious conflicts between python pks installed via yum vs pip

2012-02-10 Thread Neal Becker
I've seen this repeatedly, with often very serious consequences (complete failure of update from f15->f16 for example). Between packages installed via pip, and packages installed via yum, some packages seem to switch between e.g., numpy-1.6.1-py2.7.egg-info being installed as a file and the sa