Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-08-04 at 04:24 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: Even though luc has so many issues, and even though our Fedora wiki guide [1] no longer lists is as the first option, I had the notion that it was already *the tool* recommended by default. Because fedoraproject.org only links to our docs

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Cotton
On Aug 29, 2014 5:21 AM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: To edit the doc guide I'd have to go and deal with docbook and come up with a git patch and submit it for review by docs team, which isn't really a terribly high bar but is still harder than 'edit wiki page, now you're

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-04 Thread Kamil Paral
So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of us who deal with boot stuff - me for QA purposes, mjg59 and pjones who actually know what's going on, and lmacken who maintains luc right now - talked this over a few months back, and what would like to do with luc is kill it, or at

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not instead, but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
Some ideas: 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make some compose changes that would make the image more compatible with third-party USB installers. That's very technical, but I hope relevant people could provide some comments here. I suppose we could

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas C.Gilliard
What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not instead, but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 08:21 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not instead, but if we provided two buttons instead of one: So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of us who

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: Previous post: A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind. So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve an up to date list of ISOs from the mirror

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 8/1/2014 12:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: Previous post: A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind. So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it - dd + script?

2014-08-01 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, On 2014-08-02 05:06, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not instead, but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would

the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Kamil Paral
It's a well-known fact in our circles that third-party USB conversion tools (like UNetbootin or Universal USB Installer) can't create Fedora Live USB correctly. Unfortunately, it is not well known among our users (I see it very often on test list, IRC, or local fedora.cz website/forums) and

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:04:16AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: Some ideas: 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make some compose changes that would make the image more compatible with third-party USB installers. That's very technical, but I hope relevant people

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Naheem Zaffar
Longer term, would turning this stateless via new systemd features be helpful?. On 31 July 2014 18:13, Brian C. Lane b...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:04:16AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: Some ideas: 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make some