Re: How do we manage translation effort in Release process/roadmap?

2008-07-02 Thread Kim Quirk
This is a good point and I hope Michael will be able to address it. If there are any questions about how to get translations into pootle or into a build, please post them so we can get them resolved quickly. In order to help focus which translations are high priority for this release, I have liste

Re: [OT] what does it mean to remove an activity

2008-07-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Possibly Off-Topic ! > > There was discussion of a GUI for removing an activity. But what > does "to remove an activity" mean ?? Two extremes of user intent: > > User AA wants to install a new version of an Activity. He

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/2 Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I personally really dislike being CC'd on lists im subscribed to I find it > extremely poor netiquette of all the mailing lists im subscribed to FWIW, I prefer the oppposite. My mail gets filtered in general *unless* I'm explicitly named, either in

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago > for thai font support. However, no one here now remembers where this > font came from, or where the upstream came from. Can someone familiar > with t

Re: boot timings

2008-07-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a place in SPI flash that marks the laptop as permanently > unlocked, eliminating the need for a dev key or cryptographic It is not safe to write to SPI flash routinely. Certainly not on every lease renewal. > The

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-07-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
The current OLPC design is heavily weighted toward reliability and maintainability. That's all. There's really nothing more to be said: we all agree that a full-fledged package manager would give more flexibility at the expense of less reliability. Therefore we are not using one at this time. -

lowercase wiki titles

2008-07-02 Thread S Page
a minor point: > Please add your own items to the list... > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Distro_Version_Migration_Nastiness From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Style_guide#Article_naming (I didn't write it), it's considered MediaWiki good form to not capitalize everything, thus just Distro_versio

Question about internationalization on sugar-jhbuild

2008-07-02 Thread Faisal Anwar
Hello All, I'm trying to set up some simple internationalization on a sugar activity but am running in to problems. I am specifically using sugar-jhbuild and launching it with 'LANG=es ./sugar-jhbuild run' command when I want to test my internationalization out. Here are the steps I have followed

New joyride build 2098

2008-07-02 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2098 Changes in build 2098 from build: 2097 Size delta: 0.00M -ohm 0.1.1-6.12.20080119git.olpc3 +ohm 0.1.1-6.13.20080701git.olpc3 --- Changes for ohm 0.1.1-6.13.20080701git.olpc3 from 0.1.1-6.12.20080119git.olpc3 --- + Fix OLPC Trac

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> I would like just remind you that the real > question is that if this "right" reply to setting is more or less > important than keeping discussions on the devel list or not. I > personally think that the latter is more important IMHO. This can often be controlled by using 'mail-reader' facilitie

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/7/2 Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people reply to > all because that is the easy way to make sure it goes back to the list in the > current setup. instead I will get responses via mailmain and not direct and > the mail will

Re: [Deploy] fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For testing, Scott, we are growing a set of each new keyboard/language > laptop that comes out of manufacturing. > > The 'ultimate' test for fonts, translations, keyboard integration is to load > a build on these laptops. I have

Distro version migration nastiness

2008-07-02 Thread Daniel Drake
While preparing the 8.2 release (including the Fedora 9 rebase), we found ourselves having to re-include dirty OLPC-specific package changes from the older Fedora 7 releases. In fact, a number of the F9-induced bugs were caused simply from accidently losing the OLPC-specific changes we applied to p

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:18 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > This probably dates from when Behdad was helping us with Thai rendering. > > Behdad, do you remember? Yeah, I already replied. The Fedora thaifonts-scalable package supersede that. > - Jim > > > On Tue, 2008-07-

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > > Am 02.07.2008 um 20:01 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > >>> by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people > >>> reply to > >>> all because that is t

[OT] what does it mean to remove an activity

2008-07-02 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Possibly Off-Topic ! There was discussion of a GUI for removing an activity. But what does "to remove an activity" mean ?? Two extremes of user intent: User AA wants to install a new version of an Activity. He would like to remove the existing "executables", in case what any of them do migh

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 02.07.2008 um 20:01 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: >>> by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people >>> reply to >>> all because that is the easy way to make sure it goes bac

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > > by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people > > reply to > > all because that is the easy way to make sure it goes back to the > > list in the > > current setup. instead

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: > by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people > reply to > all because that is the easy way to make sure it goes back to the > list in the > current setup. instead I will get responses via mailmain and not > direct and

Re: New joyride build 2097

2008-07-02 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 03:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -cdparanoia-libs alpha9.8-30 > > > +cdparanoia-libs 10.0-2.fc9 > > > -mesa-libGL 7.1-0.31.fc9 > > > +mesa-libGL 7.1-0.35.fc9 > > > -mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.31.fc9 > > > +mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.35

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Carol Lerche wrote: > I don't understand the argument that forcing "Reply-to" to be back to the > list eradicates a list participant's ability to get the reply on their > preferred email address. Presumably they replied to the list via this > address. By forcing "Reply-

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread NoiseEHC
> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:47 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > >> 1. olpc games sets the reply-to >> > > Sounds like it should get fixed... > > >> 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the >> current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list) >>

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 09:54 -0700, Carol Lerche wrote: > I don't understand the argument that forcing "Reply-to" to be back to > the list eradicates a list participant's ability to get the reply on > their preferred email address. Presumably they replied to the list > via this address. This doe

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Carol Lerche
I don't understand the argument that forcing "Reply-to" to be back to the list eradicates a list participant's ability to get the reply on their preferred email address. Presumably they replied to the list via this address. By forcing "Reply-to" to the list address, all subscribers should receive

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Jim Gettys wrote: > Here's mailman's recommendation about replyto... > > http://lists.laptop.org/admin/devel/?VARHELP=general/reply_goes_to_list > - Jim > I personally really dislike being CC'd on lists im subscribed to I find it extremely poor netiq

Re: New joyride build 2097

2008-07-02 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 03:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -cdparanoia-libs alpha9.8-30 > > +cdparanoia-libs 10.0-2.fc9 > > -mesa-libGL 7.1-0.31.fc9 > > +mesa-libGL 7.1-0.35.fc9 > > -mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.31.fc9 > > +mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.35.fc9 > > what is bringing in these as dependancies? cdparan

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
jim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:47 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > > 1. olpc games sets the reply-to > > Sounds like it should get fixed... > > > 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the > > current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list)

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:47 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > 1. olpc games sets the reply-to Sounds like it should get fixed... > 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the > current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list) And screws many people who use r

Software Status Meeting Today (Wednesday) @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Stone
Dear friends, Please join me at the usual time and place to suggest bugs you think should be marked 'blocks:8.2.0' and to inform me of your perceptions of the current 'hot spots' in joyride. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread NoiseEHC
1. olpc games sets the reply-to 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list) Jim Gettys wrote: > Here's mailman's recommendation about replyto... > > http://lists.laptop.org/admin/devel/?VARHELP=general/

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-07-02 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 06:03:55PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Erik Garrison wrote: >> >> There is another primary value-add, which is a different operating >> system or window manager. To enable this value-add we could be >> distributing a minimal image for each of the

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread John Watlington
As not everyone has admin access on mailman.laptop.org, here is the text to which JG linked: reply_goes_to_list (general): Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists. This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in m

Re: [Server-devel] Issue with 2 B4s and a C2

2008-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:41 AM, David Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AFTER clicking register, and rebooting, it won't find the school mesh and > eventually settles on teh simple mesh. Then olpc-netstatus reports: - Have you connected successfully with this machine? (we've seen a small % of

Re: [Server-devel] Issue with 2 B4s and a C2

2008-07-02 Thread John Watlington
David, Please send us the tarball generated by olpc-netlog, as well as the /var/log/messages from the school server. I'm cc'ing Michail, as this appears to be a networking problem. wad On Jul 2, 2008, at 5:41 AM, David Leeming wrote: > I am still having problems getting three XOs working

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread Jim Gettys
Here's mailman's recommendation about replyto... http://lists.laptop.org/admin/devel/?VARHELP=general/reply_goes_to_list - Jim On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 09:19 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: > > > > There are top-down decisions being made by a few people that drive the > > direction o

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:43 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > While we're at it: why are we including libthai-devel, consisting > mostly of a whole bunch of .h files? Is there some need for that I'm > missing (and can I test it)? Building Pango requires that, but not at runtime. > --scott --

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:19 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> > >> We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago > >> for thai font support. However, no one here

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-02 Thread Jim Gettys
This probably dates from when Behdad was helping us with Thai rendering. Behdad, do you remember? - Jim On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 17:52 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago > for thai font support. However, n

Re: 8.2 Kernel status update

2008-07-02 Thread Jim Gettys
The other issue it would be nice to get fixed is the jffs2 full performance falling off the wall cliff, for which there is a patch that the Nokia folks have deployed. While in development we seldom run full, running full is likely the usual state in the field. Dave, have you had a chance to look

Re: New joyride build 2097

2008-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 02.07.2008 um 13:31 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: >> as far as mesa goes, the list has been very adament that the XO >> laptop >> cannot run any opengl stuff, and my understanding is mesa exists to >> implement a software version of opengl. either position is >> reasonable (no >> opengl+ no mes

Re: New joyride build 2097

2008-07-02 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> as far as mesa goes, the list has been very adament that the XO laptop > cannot run any opengl stuff, and my understanding is mesa exists to > implement a software version of opengl. either position is reasonable (no > opengl+ no mesa or mesa with slow opengl support), but right now it's a > cont

Re: Problem installing sugar desktop interface in Fedora 7

2008-07-02 Thread Assim Deodia
Hi, I am trying to run sugar desktop environment on Fedora 7 after installing it using yum. This is the output i get when i try to run it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sugar Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-shell", line 30, in from main import main File "/usr/share/sugar

Re: New joyride build 2097

2008-07-02 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > -cdparanoia-libs alpha9.8-30 > +cdparanoia-libs 10.0-2.fc9 > -mesa-libGL 7.1-0.31.fc9 > +mesa-libGL 7.1-0.35.fc9 > -mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.31.fc9 > +mesa-libGLU 7.1-0.35.fc9 what is bringing in these as dependancies? for machines that would only ever se

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-02 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4 - Support time frame. > GS - I agree that release should be supported until the second > subsequent release is out (ala Fedora). Do we have consensus on that? +1 > Is it useful for the rest of you already working on the pr

Re: Freezing features this week.

2008-07-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 02.07.2008 um 02:13 schrieb Michael Stone: > ear world, I'm all ears ;) > We're FREEZING OUR FEATURE-SET THIS WEEK, which means that features > targeted at > the 8.2.0 release should be IN A JOYRIDE BUILD BY THIS SUNDAY, JULY > 6TH. If the > outlines of your feature aren't > > a) in Joyr

Re: boot timings

2008-07-02 Thread John Gilmore
> ...I suspect that [delay]'s the ~1.5s it takes to verify the signature on the > dev key. For many deployments that will be 1.5s to check a signature > on an activation lease. The original design was to cache that check > in some secure manner, but there's not really any appropriate > protected

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists.

2008-07-02 Thread NoiseEHC
> > There are top-down decisions being made by a few people that drive the > direction of OLPC. These decisions are not waiting for consensus, and > they are made by a small number of people. I don't believe this is > going to change (at least not in the short term). > I, personally, do not car