New joyride build 2126

2008-07-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2126 Changes in build 2126 from build: 2123 Size delta: 0.00M +ds-backup-client 0.6-1.olpc3 -etoys 3.0.2029-1 +etoys 3.0.2050-1 +olpc-netutils 0.2-1.olpc3 -olpc-utils 0.76-1.olpc3 +olpc-utils 0.77-1.olpc3 -squeak-vm 3.10-3olpc4 +squeak-v

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Asheesh Laroia
I've snipped away the parts I have no comment on, but: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and I > am working on something else at the moment. So, these are quick notes And me, too - just quick notes: > - XS installs/de

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
A reference was made to Gears: > My point was exactly that it is a plugin. > There are other plugins that are educationally useful. Security. I believe that 'Browse' is restricted as to how much it is allowed to modify the operating system itself. Such restrictions would apply to plugins as we

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread david
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. > > That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or > more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one page > he can't remember *exactly* what the other page said, he may want to > swi

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one page he can't remember *exactly* what the other page said, he may want to switch between pages. What are the alternatives to ta

Re: Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-07 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > We should meet to discuss our release at a high level (procedures, > resources) and at a low level (tickets). This week, we will meet at > our regular places and times -- 2:00 PM EDT on Tuesday (high-level) > and Wednesday (low-level) in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for >

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
Allowing the null encryption algorithm in the browser would enable it for other later negotiations, which seems an unnecessary exposure to suppress the encryption for a single small https exchange. But it would certainly be possible. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:44 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O

Home View appearance

2008-07-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> There is certainly not consensus regarding the merits of the > "free-form" Home View, but it is being accepted upstream, AFAIK. Sorry, but I couldn't resist : The principal merit I see in the "free-form" Home View is that it makes the screen look more like what is familiar (reassuring) to a

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread david
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client >> certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications >> (assuming a properly configured se

Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
We should meet to discuss our release at a high level (procedures, resources) and at a low level (tickets). This week, we will meet at our regular places and times -- 2:00 PM EDT on Tuesday (high-level) and Wednesday (low-level) in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for these meetings. Please reply

Re: Beta Test

2008-07-07 Thread Bryan Berry
Greg Smith wrote: >Now that we are making progress on your requests I want to ask for some >quid pro quo :-) >Can your team allocate time to "beta" test 8.2.0? We were intending to do this anyways but wasn't sure about when we would do it. What timelines do you have in mind? I don't have time fo

Re: Participation in hardware development(OLPC)

2008-07-07 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi all Another link that could be of interest on this: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Hardware On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Mel Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam, > > I don't "assign" anyone projects (after all, one of the neat things > about volunteering on an open-source project is

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> > > At the risk of being ignored again I still think a menu instead of a > dialog would be less intrusive. > > - Bert - > I see your point. However, there are advantages to a dialog. It makes further sub-functions (open with non-default activity) easier to add, and most of the code for this trus

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> In other words, to support Browse launching Pippy when a .py file is > clicked, Rainbow would have to confer upon Browse the privilege of > launching other activities (which may, and in the case of execution > environments such as Pippy and eToys, regularly will) have higher > privileges than Bro

Re: Project activity (was Security Launching . . .)

2008-07-07 Thread Bryan Berry
>A prime example would be the Project activity, which >would allow kids to place references to a bunch of objects into their >project, and then launch them directly from that activity's GUI. (This >is similar in many ways to the "lesson plan" idea; I'd like to see >Projects serve that use case well

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
I don't disagree with the goal of simplicity for the youngest users (as you probably remember from other mails). I do feel that young users need such a constrained browsing experience because they can't type well and have literacy issues (can't spell urls correctly), that this should demarcate bro

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It started out bare bones, and is slowly gaining important features > as we go (recently URI autocompletion, find in page text, foundational > support for global bookmarks, and other features appeared!). It The point is ju

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Bobby Powers
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/7 Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of >> taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites >> that fail with the extant br

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Eben Eliason
2008/7/7 Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of > taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites > that fail with the extant browser. Direct availability of plugins and > addons. One example: scrapbook

Re: Participation in hardware development(OLPC)

2008-07-07 Thread Mel Chua
Gautam, I don't "assign" anyone projects (after all, one of the neat things about volunteering on an open-source project is that you get to pick what you want to work on), but I can point you towards some open hardware-related projects that may be of interest - you may also have your own ideas

Fwd: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
Sorry Bobby and others...I went from an offlist reply to a more general reply and omitted recipients. Google Gears is interesting in so far as it is a plug-in that supports offline use of the school server, and as such is being directly ported. My point was exactly that it is a plugin. There are

Some documentation for DS-Backup

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
(Sorry about the cross-post, this affects XS and XO...) Here is some initial documentation on DS-backup, including usage scenarios, basic test steps, and longer-term plans http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Blueprints:Datastore_Simple_Backup_and_Restore cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTE

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Briefly: just check trac for bugs assigned to the Browse component. Many of these would not be an issue if we were just following upstream, for example: SSL/security UI, URL autocompletion, tabs, various websites with popups, etc. We will clearly need to customize the browser to *some* degree, the

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Bobby Powers
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of > taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites > that fail with the extant browser. Direct availability of plugins and > add

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Carol, give me some credit :-) I know that FF works well with client certs and apache has no problem with it. I've been coding apache/ssl aware apps since '98... > What sort of patch are you looking for? Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and I am working on someth

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites that fail with the extant browser. Direct availability of plugins and addons. One example: scrapbook, a superb research tool. Another example Google G

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > Am 07.07.2008 um 23:31 schrieb Martin Dengler: > > >On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote: > >>On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > >>>Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paran

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Bobby Powers
2008/7/7 Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Client certs can be used for authentication with no changes to a Firefox > browser or an Apache server. GTK based as well as web based software to > create certs also already exists. What sort of patch are you looking for? > I could certainly provide

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
Client certs can be used for authentication with no changes to a Firefox browser or an Apache server. GTK based as well as web based software to create certs also already exists. What sort of patch are you looking for? I could certainly provide a page running in an apache server to validate a re

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client > certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications > (assuming a properly configured server). I haven't delved into this deeply yet, bu

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 07.07.2008 um 23:31 schrieb Martin Dengler: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote: >> On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote: >>> Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid >>> security geeks, >>> but what about school children? >> >> It's good

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Carol Lerche
Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications (assuming a properly configured server). As to collaborative browsing, that use case should be balanced against all the available applications that having a sta

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd rather see us just give up on Browse and ship and appropriately > configured Firefox. I just can't see OLPC devoting enough developer Not so fast! The XS deliverables need a custom browser on the XO for reasons we w

olpc-netutils & ds-backup-client

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
This email is a notification that I drafted packaging data fro olpc-netutils and ds-backup last week and placed them into joyride today. Dennis - do you want me to generate package review requests in Fedora for this software? Also, did you have any feedback to offer me based on your initial review

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:56:05PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > (mstone reports that 'yum install firefox' and 'firefox' is a decent > basis for comparison, although we can tweak firefox's configuration > and package it as an RPM to get a nicer sugar look&feel if we really > wanted to pursue th

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 07.07.2008 um 23:22 schrieb Eben Eliason: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Noah Kantrowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That said, the URI handler

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spent a couple hours yesterday taking out Gecko from Browse, and > putting in WebKit. Luckily, this was made easy by some PyWebKitGtk Just repeating in public what I leaned over and told m_stone and cjb: I'd rather see

Re: Heads up on touchpad change

2008-07-07 Thread Andres Salomon
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:41:43 + Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Clarifications were request, so.. > > Cc'ing devel for a wider audience. Basically, we've got a new > touchpad driver that uses mouse mode rather than advanced/stream > mode. This means the PT won't work, but th

Re: koji vs. dropbox

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Dennis and I disagree on the dropbox; I view it as an essential mechanism to unblock developers to allow rapid development. He is concerned that it discourages people from making changes the "right" way. Regardless... The dropbox should still be functional, but you do need a proper changelog ent

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread David Farning
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:37 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my > personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: > > (a) I believe that we should put OLPC's goals *first*, and endeavor to > ensure that we are always m

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term >> costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we >

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote: > On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid > > security geeks, > > but what about school children? > > It's good enough because the purpose of the dialog is not to

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: >>> "seamless" and "seamful" seem very wooly words. Are they, in this >>> context, well-defined? A seamless transition is one where the user is not alerted in any way to a security barrier being traversed, and where she is not afforded a chanc

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term > costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we > all agree seems to be the case at present. Here I disagree - small and medium

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 7/7/08, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of "upstream." Sugar >> developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their >> way to make sure that th

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's one >>> thing to al

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of "upstream." Sugar > developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their > way to make sure that the (by far) largest Sugar deployment is > successful. Has this

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my > personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: I am surprised this got heated, you are right, and this isn't even controversial. This

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 02:59:00PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote: > On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > >No response? > > Your message _appears_ to suppose that the security model was defined > for the hell of it, or because someone wanted to engage in an > interesting academic ex

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid > security geeks, > but what about school children? It's good enough because the purpose of the dialog is not to protect, but to inform. -- Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://ra

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's >> one >> thing to allow starting an audio player by clicking an MP3 link in >> the >> browser, and

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Walter Bender
> To the extent that sugarlabs is going to operate as a "true upstream", > they need to be cognizant of the fact that OLPC will at times put its > goals/process ahead of "upstream's" goals/process. I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of "upstream." Sugar developers are cognizant of the needs

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Hal Murray
> That's precisely the seam that Michael and I wrote about in his > previous message to the thread. The opposition he and I have is > towards allowing single-click actions to cross security barriers > without the system _ensuring_ that the user is informed of the > crossing. ... > The way to do

Re: koji vs. dropbox

2008-07-07 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Hi Dennis, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Monday 07 July 2008, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: > >> This is probably meant for the release team. >> Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working? >> >> According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should >>

Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: (a) I believe that we should put OLPC's goals *first*, and endeavor to ensure that we are always meeting the actual needs of our clients, forking whenever upstream's g

Re: koji vs. dropbox

2008-07-07 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday 07 July 2008, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: > This is probably meant for the release team. > Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working? > > According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should > work but newer RPMs of cerebro don't get pull

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > No response? Your message _appears_ to suppose that the security model was defined for the hell of it, or because someone wanted to engage in an interesting academic experiment, and thus breaking the security model when it's convenient is

Re: Power on button remaps the keyboard

2008-07-07 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 07 2008, at 20:55, Dov Grobgeld was caught saying: > I'm running joyride-2097. Should I open an issue? Is it one or two bugs? One > bug is the remapping. And the second is that it does not go into sleep mode? I think OHM bits might not have been in place in 2097. Suspend/resume works in the

koji vs. dropbox

2008-07-07 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
This is probably meant for the release team. Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working? According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should work but newer RPMs of cerebro don't get pulled into joyride. Rumors have it that this mechanism no longer work

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> > Finally: Ivan do you see security implications in a future > implementation of this approach which also allows the resulting > changes to an object launched in this manner from being passed back to > the invoking activity. For instance, consider a Website activity > which you can import source

New joyride build 2123

2008-07-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2123 Changes in build 2123 from build: 2121 Size delta: 0.00M -kernel 2.6.25-20080706.1.olpc.ba4dc194a95c955 +kernel 2.6.25-20080707.2.olpc.00b8fa8a2453d91 -sugar-datastore 0.8.2-2.20080703git588f82ed0d.olpc3 +sugar-datastore 0.8.2-3.200

Re: Power on button remaps the keyboard

2008-07-07 Thread Dov Grobgeld
I'm running joyride-2097. Should I open an issue? Is it one or two bugs? One bug is the remapping. And the second is that it does not go into sleep mode? Dov 2008/7/7 Deepak Saxena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Jul 07 2008, at 19:11, Dov Grobgeld was caught saying: > > I'm running one of the latest

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eben Eliason wrote: > | No, what I've described is precisely /not/ the details view. > > OK. You want something whose function is the launcher component of the > De

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | No, what I've described is precisely /not/ the details view. OK. You want something whose function is the launcher component of the Details view, but whose form is simplified so as not to fill the screen. That's fine. Two point

Re: [sugar] Injecting Code into main Sugar GUI routine

2008-07-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:46:13AM -0500, Zach Riggle wrote: > The issue that I am facing isn't so much how to actually launch the > Activities (via keypresses or simulated GUI clicks), but rather how to > do so without any user intervention whatsoever. This is something that > would have to

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eben Eliason wrote: > | I really don't see anything wrong with injecting a modal alert, > | displayed by Sugar, into this process if we must. Clicking on an mp3 > |

Re: Power on button remaps the keyboard

2008-07-07 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 07 2008, at 19:11, Dov Grobgeld was caught saying: > I'm running one of the latest Joyrides and I was trying to put the laptop > into sleep mode by a short press to the power button. It didn't put it to > sleep, but it undid the keyboard remapping that I had done through xkbcomp. > Is that s

Re: [Localization] How do we manage translation effort in Release process/roadmap?

2008-07-07 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Torello Querci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alle giovedì 3 luglio 2008, Kim Quirk ha scritto: >> In order to help focus which translations are high priority for this >> release, I have listed the languages we are shipping to today and >> expect to ship to in the next

Re: How do we manage translation effort in Release process/roadmap?

2008-07-07 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, all. > I have read though Greg's release process draft of OLPC > (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home) > and ReleaseTeam/Roadmap of SugarLabs > (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap). > But both draf

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | I really don't see anything wrong with injecting a modal alert, | displayed by Sugar, into this process if we must. Clicking on an mp3 | in Browse would reveal this alert, and ask for confirmation that the | user wishes to open i

Re: Security for launching from URL

2008-07-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's one > thing to allow starting an audio player by clicking an MP3 link in the > browser, and another to arbitrarily execute code (e.g. through an > execution en

(another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Bobby Powers
Hi Folks, I spent a couple hours yesterday taking out Gecko from Browse, and putting in WebKit. Luckily, this was made easy by some PyWebKitGtk bindings from Jan Alonzo (cc'ed). The example included with the bindings is actually based off WebKit ;). Some initial documentation is here: http://wi

Re: python parser for dotconf file

2008-07-07 Thread Hemant Goyal
Hello Hynek, I can't speak for DotConf, but Speech Dispatcher would surely benefit. That's really good news, I am glad the code will prove useful to the speechd community as well. When there are several lines with the same parameter name, > this should be treated as an enumeration or a list. F

Power on button remaps the keyboard

2008-07-07 Thread Dov Grobgeld
I'm running one of the latest Joyrides and I was trying to put the laptop into sleep mode by a short press to the power button. It didn't put it to sleep, but it undid the keyboard remapping that I had done through xkbcomp. Is that supposed to be a bug or feature?? xev shows that the power button t

Re: [Localization] How do we manage translation effort in Release process/roadmap?

2008-07-07 Thread Torello Querci
Alle giovedì 3 luglio 2008, Kim Quirk ha scritto: > In order to help focus which translations are high priority for this > release, I have listed the languages we are shipping to today and > expect to ship to in the next 4-6 months. They are in size order: > > Spanish (Peru, Uruguay, Mexico), 200k

8.2.0 Beta Test

2008-07-07 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Bryan, Now that we are making progress on your requests I want to ask for some quid pro quo :-) Can your team allocate time to "beta" test 8.2.0? Can you write up a test plan and include kids and teachers in the test? Let me know if you are sure Nepal will deploy 8.2.0 regardless of the st

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:54:17AM -0300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > 2008/7/7 Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] > > http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/launch-by-click-ie.jpg [...] > I think that the dialogue you captured is the "seam" people are > talking about :-) Cool. I was just querying th

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Bryan Berry
Martin's solution works for me. This kind of dialogue is good for OLPC. Substantive and really thinking about how kids and teachers will use the XO and Sugar. We intend to embed all the activities relevant to a particular course into one .xo bundle, excluding the pre-installed mainstays like Scra

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/7/7 Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ...yields: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/launch-by-click-ie.jpg > > ...so perhaps I need a different understanding of "launch-by-click" for > executables. Please accept my apologies for wasting your/others time > if I've misunderstood. I think

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 09:40:09AM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote: > On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:52 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > [main point] No response? > >1. It's clearly academic, as in the rest of the world this > >"launch-by-clicking-URL" behavior is about as prevalent as the common > >cold. > > It "cl

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:52 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > 1. It's clearly academic, as in the rest of the world this > "launch-by-clicking-URL" behavior is about as prevalent as the common > cold. It "clearly" isn't, because part of the difficulty is that we're talking about code execution, which is w

Re: super user privileges for speech-dispatcher and location of configuration files for olpc

2008-07-07 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hemant Goyal wrote: > Hi, > > We want to run the speech-dispatcher daemon service on the XO for providing > a speech synthesis environment in the laptop. For our purpose we want to > modify the configuration file of speech-dispatcher in > /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf from sugar-control pane

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 12:28:03AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [seamless/seamful thoughts] > Questions? "seamless" and "seamful" seem very wooly words. Are they, in this context, well-defined? Seem dangerously like defining-away the argument. Assuming they are well defined, when I read > * a

New joyride build 2121

2008-07-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2121 Changes in build 2121 from build: 2120 Size delta: 0.00M -ohm 0.1.1-6.13.20080701git.olpc3 +ohm 0.1.1-6.14.20080707git.olpc3 --- Changes for ohm 0.1.1-6.14.20080707git.olpc3 from 0.1.1-6.13.20080701git.olpc3 --- + Implement the

Re: Seamless Lessons & Security (commentary)

2008-07-07 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 07.07.2008 um 06:41 schrieb Bryan Berry: > seamful approach sounds workable to me > > This is a very productive discussion! > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:

Re: python parser for dotconf file

2008-07-07 Thread Hynek Hanke
Hello Hermant, > >1. Would the dotconf project benefit from a generic python program > that allows to read/editparameters within a dotconf file? > I can't speak for DotConf, but Speech Dispatcher would surely benefit. I'm now working on a simple python tool that would guide the user thr