Touch pad

2008-07-14 Thread David Leeming
[Community News]The kernel team has backported the modifications to the older stable kernel so that it can be installed on builds 656 and 703. This allows our G1G1 users and deployment countries to install and test this new driver. Seeking advice on how to install this modification!

Java

2008-07-14 Thread David Leeming
Just been browsing the Java pages on the wiki and confirming to myself the Sun Java version installs but the plugin does not load. A pity, as I have installed on a school server an excellent UNESCO CD of educational materials "Strengthening ICTs in Schools and Schoolnet Project in the ASEAN Setting

New joyride build 2162

2008-07-14 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2162 Changes in build 2162 from build: 2161 Size delta: 0.00M -info 4.11-5.fc9 +info 4.11-8.fc9 -libsepol 2.0.26-1.fc9 +libsepol 2.0.32-1.fc9 -olpcupdate 2.10-1 +olpcupdate 2.11-1 --- Changes for libsepol 2.0.32-1.fc9 from 2.0.26-1.fc9

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
If, as is the current plan, multiple versions of an activity can coexist on an XO, ... > Two use cases: > 1. I have a journal object. I want to choose which activity to open it with. > I am presented with a multilevel menu: the top level has all activities > which open the mime type, the

Re: Text To Speech issues with Read Etexts Activity

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:46:57AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: >...but after I stop Speech I can't get it to start up again. Do the activity logs contain any clues? >Worse, it generally hangs the Activity so I need to reboot the XO to >quit the Activity. Is the activity window still present b

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:05:46AM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 09:14 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > > - Leaving aside how its done technically, I believe that Linux > > distributions are fully backward compatible. That is, you can go to the > > latest supported Distribution and

Recovered journal (Was: Journal data loss warning)

2008-07-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Jul 2008, at 00:24, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I vaguely remember some mention somewhere of the DS folder being >> moved >> or renamed, I guess mine just got zapped by that change. I'm assuming >> (hoping) it d

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would be happy to whip up a universal approximate ordering for version > strings in a few lines of Python. My emphasis here is on _approximate_; > nothing should depend on precisely correct interpretation of vers

New joyride build 2161

2008-07-14 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2161 Changes in build 2161 from build: 2160 Size delta: 0.53M +tar 2:1.19-4.fc9 +diffutils 2.8.1-21.fc9 +gzip 1.3.12-6.fc9 +less 418-3.fc9 --- Included tar version 2:1.19-4.fc9 --- --- Included diffutils version 2.8.1-21.fc9 --- --- I

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jameson "Chema" Quinn wrote: > | It is desirable for Sugar to be able to compare versions and > | guess which one is newer. > > "Newer" means "more recent". If this capability is important to you, then > we may simply include a datestamp in each

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | I guess the point here is that performing intelligent string comparisons on | several of these schemes requires parsing the string. ;) I would be happy to whip up a universal approximate ordering for version strings in a few line

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jameson "Chema" Quinn wrote: > | It is desirable for Sugar to be able to compare versions and > | guess which one is newer. > > "Newer" means "more recent". If t

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jameson "Chema" Quinn wrote: | It is desirable for Sugar to be able to compare versions and | guess which one is newer. "Newer" means "more recent". If this capability is important to you, then we may simply include a datestamp in each bundle, separa

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> > So, that said, starting with Freire might still allow us to move in a > different direction for 9.2 and avoid the learning philosophy wars. > --scott I could easily propose my "trees" idea as a follow up to Freire. He spoke of learning to write with a stick in the dirt under a mango tree. 9.

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> I'd like to pose an alternative goal, inspired by your comment: Glucose > should never attempt to parse version strings. I believe that we can > accomplish this without sacrificing any of the user-facing behaviors that > we truly desire. The choice of an appropriate versioning scheme may then >

Re: Journal data loss warning

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a quick warning to developers hopping between old and new builds. > Today while trying to debug an issue with DNS resolution behind an > Access Point I reverted (from joyride-2149) to the official release > Update-1 7

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:18 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we're going to a 'dotted decimal' scheme, we > should use '.'. > > ... > > Is 1.1 "newer" or "older" than 1.11?) This is exactly the reason I think that 1-1 ... 1-11 is clearer (you're right, colon is unworkable

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Langhoff wrote: | After | all, if an activity writer wants to use Klingon characters for | versioning, hey, let them go wild! This is actually the key point. Currently, the versioning system is embedded into the Glucose code itself, and our pl

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Version numbers are used to communicate API/ABI compat and degree/type > of changes to users. Later in this thread Eben suggests what everyone > else in the industry is using: major.minor - sounds good to me. Even > bette

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, Version numbers are used to communicate API/ABI compat and degree/type of changes to users. Later in this thread Eben suggests what everyone else in the i

Journal data loss warning

2008-07-14 Thread Gary C Martin
Just a quick warning to developers hopping between old and new builds. Today while trying to debug an issue with DNS resolution behind an Access Point I reverted (from joyride-2149) to the official release Update-1 703 using olpc-update. After running some tests and then olpc- updating back

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read on our wiki that the version number was supposed to be monotonically > increasing. If that were the case, doing as you suggest isn't valid, as I Who wrote this? Did they mean it to be taken this literally, or just

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we do choose this naming scheme, I think Freire is a good place to start. > If not, I think that something suggesting growth (names of trees?) might be > safer. As I understand it, the other part of the Fedora nam

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I think this is still a whole bunch clearer than trying to convince > someone > > that version 5 is newer than version 10! (where 10 is a "b

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is still a whole bunch clearer than trying to convince someone > that version 5 is newer than version 10! (where 10 is a "bugfix" release to > what used to be version 4.) You're undercutting your own points: wh

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:40 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > My suggestion is to use names of famous pedagogues as code names. I > > suggest we call this one Freire for Paulo Freire > > (http://en.wikipe

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:20PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > I have a partially finished ZLIB decompression code as well. mstone >> > just >>

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:18 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I agree with almost everything jquinn said, except for the u

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with almost everything jquinn said, except for the use of ':' to delimit version numbers. Like it or not, the rest of the software world uses

Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, We should meet tomorrow to discuss release questions and on Wednesday to discuss tickets. I will arrive fifteen minutes early for each of these meetings to finalize the agenda for each; however, here are some tentative items: - For TUESDAY: === St

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with the signature approach. However, I don't really know what >> happens when I have 37, 38, and 39 where 39 is a "bugfix" release of 37, and >> 39 is a "brand new version"...I'd prefer to see them ordere

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:20PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I have a partially finished ZLIB decompression code as well. mstone > > just > > told me that time that we will use LZO so that effort was moot... > > Currently

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:34 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I'm not sure this satisfies me. It might accurately handle the use case > of > > updating when upgrading, assuming that activity developers

Re: New joyride build 2160

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Drake
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 17:39 -0400, Build Announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2160 > > Changes in build 2160 from build: 2159 > > Size delta: -3.80M > > -kernel 2.6.25-20080711.9.olpc.e88ef08601d02cd > +kernel 2.6.25-20080714.1.olpc.4fab16203e851f2 > -

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
> I agree with the signature approach. However, I don't really know what > happens when I have 37, 38, and 39 where 39 is a "bugfix" release of 37, and > 39 is a "brand new version"...I'd prefer to see them ordered 37, 39, 38, to > coincide with the "level of newness". This is something we will l

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The goal from the beginning has been to minimize cost-of-entry to > develop applications for our platform. Requiring that people set up > bugzilla in order to receive bug reports is a high bar! Requiring > that they h

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log a

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> They could be made available on a web site instead, or we could aim at >> integrating log with trac. > > GNOME, for example, has bug-buddy which reports crashes to bugzilla. The goal from the beginning has been to

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My suggestion is to use names of famous pedagogues as code names. I > suggest we call this one Freire for Paulo Freire > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire) > > Any other votes or code name suggestions? Well, I'm not

New joyride build 2160

2008-07-14 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2160 Changes in build 2160 from build: 2159 Size delta: -3.80M -kernel 2.6.25-20080711.9.olpc.e88ef08601d02cd +kernel 2.6.25-20080714.1.olpc.4fab16203e851f2 -diffutils 2.8.1-21.fc9 -dmraid 1.0.0.rc14-6.fc9 -gzip 1.3.12-6.fc9 -isomd5sum 1

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log activity to actually >> be useful in practice, since the "send log" button can send

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log activity to actually >> be useful in practice, since the "send log" button can send t

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
As I have suggested before, I think that these sorts of checks also matter enourmously to the quality of user experience that we'll be able to provide when we start seriously attempting to provide 'easy code sharing' features. Michael ___ Devel mailing l

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log activity to actually > be useful in practice, since the "send log" button can send the log to the > people who might actually look at it and make any necessary changes t

Re: User-visible Fedora 9 features

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
>From my perspective, the user-visible and developer-visible feature is that, with root authority, you can install RECENT software which is available in Fedora. This really matters for G1G1 people and for our ability to attract Fedora contributors. The OLPC-visible feature is that nobody is goin

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure this satisfies me. It might accurately handle the use case of > updating when upgrading, assuming that activity developers are very careful > to add extra info about compatibility into the .info file. It doesn

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> The activities database at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities > > already has a 'source url' field for the web page. What is needed

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Marco, 8.2.0 draft release notes are at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 We have this section: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0#Activity_Incompatibilities so you could make a new section next to that. Any reviews, edits or additions welcome. Thanks, Greg S Marco

Project name : x2o has been set up

2008-07-14 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:26:29 -0400, "Alex Levenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. Project name : x2o Done. Your tree is here: git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/x2o Please follow instructions here for importing your project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project Let us know if y

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'd strongly prefer that they *not* do so. First off, it's > pointless to do so, since the web page is a lot easier to spam-spider > than the activity bundle. But fundamentally, I want to be able to use > semi-aut

Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-14 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, I need to create a page where I can start organizing ideas and gathering requirements for 9.1.0. I plan to refer to it by code name instead of number until its released (thanks to Scott for the suggestion). My suggestion is to use names of famous pedagogues as code names. I suggest we

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: Marco's comments. > > GS - Thanks! Can you start adding the names of all activities that we > know should/will work to the Release notes too? I can add the Fructose ones, where are the release notes? :) > How does someon

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility

2008-07-14 Thread Steve Holton
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The way I see it, there are TWO kinds of items for which > "compatibility" needs to be provided -- executables + data : > > > * Executables : The problem arises from the "quickness" with which > some users (such as I)

User-visible Fedora 9 features

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, Greg is looking for changes introduced by the F9 builds which result in user-visible features. Can anyone give any specifics? For example, do you have some USB device which didn't work in F7 but does work in F9? Obviously the kernel upgrade brings a lot of new device support, but we're looki

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, there's nothing saying that this has to be a particular person's >> email address. It could be a list, or a mailinator account,

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
Comments follow... On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:09 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > They don't get it? Or they don't get how a single integer is supposed to > be > > sufficient, and therefor use their own

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility

2008-07-14 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
The way I see it, there are TWO kinds of items for which "compatibility" needs to be provided -- executables + data : * Executables : The problem arises from the "quickness" with which some users (such as I) can switch operating system versions. I sometimes have two different "streams" on

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Otherwise how can we reasonable sort/group the activities in any way > > that makes sense? > > I suggested one (stupidly slow, but very general) approach based on the > Travelling Salesman problem. To recap: > > Regard a

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They don't get it? Or they don't get how a single integer is supposed to be > sufficient, and therefor use their own methods? Do you have examples of > specific "random and bogus" strings we can look at to see what's been t

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
> Otherwise how can we reasonable sort/group the activities in any way > that makes sense? I suggested one (stupidly slow, but very general) approach based on the Travelling Salesman problem. To recap: Regard all activities as nodes in a fully connected graph. Let activities state that they are c

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:09 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/14 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, > which I > > unfortunately don't have a record of. There was also mention of this in > the > > maili

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/7/14 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, which I > unfortunately don't have a record of. There was also mention of this in the > mailing lists not too long ago, initiated by > Morgan: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread NoiseEHC
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Currently I am profiling/rewriting the LZO decompression code. >> > > Again, be warned that there's no guarantee we will ever use LZO > compression. The plan of record is to disable compres

New joyride build 2159

2008-07-14 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2159 Changes in build 2159 from build: 2155 Size delta: 0.39M -olpc-netutils 0.3-1.olpc3 +olpc-netutils 0.4-1.olpc3 +libpcap 14:0.9.8-2.fc9 +tcpdump 14:3.9.8-4.fc9 -xulrunner 1.9-1.olpc3.2 +xulrunner 1.9-1.olpc3.3 -xulrunner-pyxpcom 1.9-

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently I am profiling/rewriting the LZO decompression code. Again, be warned that there's no guarantee we will ever use LZO compression. The plan of record is to disable compression on selected files instead. That's not to

Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC, which I unfortunately don't have a record of. There was also mention of this in the mailing lists not too long ago, initiated by Morgan: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005895.html. Finally, I brought this up at

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread NoiseEHC
Currently I am profiling/rewriting the LZO decompression code. The speed result (from memory, not too reliable): LZO compression: ~9.5 MB/sec LZO compression ASM version: ~9.3 MB/sec LZO decompression: ~25MB/sec LZO decompression ASM version: ~40 MB/sec Here the ASM version is the version from the

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > perhaps it would be possible to add log entries at the > "interesting" points of activity startup, so that the timing data > is always available on a regular basis. I've done this in the tinderbox, but what I've found is that the goalposts are moving -- the dbus signals that I moni

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> Let's get it on the roadmap for 9.1, when we've got time to >> actually make the fixes required and test them properly (unless >> someone really believes that speeding up sugar is a 4 line patch). > > I'd like to see an activity startup time comparison (

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Scott, I agree. I think we need to work on "stability" only from now until release. No more features unless previously defined via "release contract" and listed at: http://dev.laptop.org/report/18 My questions is if there's anything that already had a release contract or anything already in

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Let's get it on the roadmap for 9.1, when we've got time to > actually make the fixes required and test them properly (unless > someone really believes that speeding up sugar is a 4 line patch). I'd like to see an activity startup time comparison (just taken with a stopwatch) betwe

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > - Another option is to provide a one-time flag passed at file >> > creation time (O_CREAT) to enable/disable compression. This would >> > a

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Another option is to provide a one-time flag passed at file > > creation time (O_CREAT) to enable/disable compression. This would > > also require VFS changes but I think would be simpler; however, > > this case

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Another option is to provide a one-time flag passed at file > > creation time (O_CREAT) to enable/disable compression. This would > > also require VFS changes but I think would be simpler; however, > > this case ha

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:35 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: >> Is there anything else in the 8.2.0 release which will improve >> responsiveness of the XO in general? > > I think the new X server in the distro upgrade is supposed t

Virtualising and 3dnow woes on a Mac

2008-07-14 Thread pyramind
Hello, I made a search in the list but couldn't find a solution. I'm running Os X Leopard and want to use qemu to emulate the os and start developing. However I'm getting problems. I'm following the directions here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images#Latest_Stable_Build and got my image from h

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > - One option, as suggested in the trac, is to have the kernel trap > file extensions and disable compression based on that. Doable, but > I expect a rather large hack to VFS to do this. An extension to > this idea is to look for specific signatures in files that disable > comp

Trac 'next-action' updates.

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
Chris and I added options for 'review' and 'qa signoff' to the 'next-action' Trac field. We dropped the 'signoff' option since people were confused about how to use it. Finally, we slightly reordered the actions to better reflect the order than most tickets will progress through them in. Are there

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:50:26PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>> I prefer aiming at #2886 ("Some files shouldn't be compressed by >>>> jffs2"), which goes a long way to solving the user problems >>>> w

Re: Colour blindness

2008-07-14 Thread david
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Walter Bender wrote: > Tthe classic example of misconstruing value contrast and chromatic > contrast was when the Human Factors journal decided to switch from > black-on-white to yellow-on-white for their cover. The switch only > lasted one issue, as I recall. > > We (humans)

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:50:26PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >>> I prefer aiming at #2886 ("Some files shouldn't be compressed by >>> jffs2"), which goes a long way to solving the user problems >>> without introducing the logistical cost of LZO support in OFW or >>> partitio

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 14 2008, at 12:19, Chris Ball was caught saying: > Hi, > >> Based on some very provisional testing, I believe that the extremely >> long save times we're seeing in EToys are at least partly related >> to our use of zlib compression for data nodes in the filesystem. >> We cou

[Server-devel] EduBlog: Direct Links

2008-07-14 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi, I think we will need to create direct links to the EduBlog pages within Moodle for the beta test. For the teacher, we have: Manage Remote Blogs, Create New Blog and a List of Blogs. For the student, we just have a list of blogs. If they choose the wrong one, there will be a menu for the

Re: [Techteam] Heads up on touchpad change

2008-07-14 Thread pgf
andres wrote: > > > > Cc'ing devel for a wider audience. Basically, we've got a new > > touchpad driver that uses mouse mode rather than advanced/stream > > mode. This means the PT won't work, but the benefits are numerous: > > > > - lots of silly complexity ripped out of the driver > >

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, >> I prefer aiming at #2886 ("Some files shouldn't be compressed by >> jffs2"), which goes a long way to solving the user problems >> without introducing the logistical cost of LZO support in OFW or >> partitions. > How would this work? Should we create an empty file, set an xa

Re: LZO support (was: [Re: low power actions?])

2008-07-14 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 14 2008, at 12:07, Erik Garrison was caught saying: > There is an existing ticket to address this issue > (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/2072). This ticket suggests that we could > add LZO support to OFW in order to implement LZO-compressed data nodes > in the filesystem. > > In this scheme

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, there's nothing saying that this has to be a particular person's >> email address. It could be a list, or a mailinator account, o

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Based on some very provisional testing, I believe that the extremely > > long save times we're seeing in EToys are at least partly related > > to our use of zlib compression for data nodes in the filesystem. >

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, there's nothing saying that this has to be a particular person's > email address. It could be a list, or a mailinator account, or pass > through an anonymizer or something else. I suppose some activity authors mi

Project name : socialcalc is set up

2008-07-14 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:24:22 +0530, "Manusheel Gupta" wrote: 1. Project name : socialcalc Done. Your tree is here: git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/socialcalc Please follow instructions here for importing your project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project Added accounts for d

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when that button is pressed. The problem with this design, of course, > is that it exposes the email in a place where spammers can easily find Yes, that is life in the 200x's. Every major package management system has th

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison wrote: | But an alternative is to implement a | partitioning scheme in which user data resides on a LZO-compressed | partition and the system data resides on a zlib-compressed partition. I strongly favor this approach. Regardless of com

Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog Image upload issue

2008-07-14 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi Greg, It wasn't designed to work as drag and drop (think that would require change to XO code, will look into that). The designed way is to: 1) Click the Imagen toolbar 2) Choose the picture from Journal 3) It should appear after it is uploaded and verified Thanks, Tarun Greg Smith wrote:

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Based on some very provisional testing, I believe that the extremely > long save times we're seeing in EToys are at least partly related > to our use of zlib compression for data nodes in the filesystem. > We could switch to LZO compression for a 500% speedup in > compression

Re: git - started complaining about whitespace?

2008-07-14 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:27:05PM +0530, Tarun Pondicherry wrote: > Hi, > > Recently, I tried to commit some changes and I got several messages > about trailing whitespace. I tried to redownload that same library > (Zend GData) again and check it in, but had the same issues. There was > no p

LZO support (was: [Re: low power actions?])

2008-07-14 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 06:33:41PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: > > One concern I have with auto saving state before powering off is the > potential corruption of journal data. How robust is the Journal if > power off happens half way through an ongoing auto state save – do you > loose both t

Text To Speech issues with Read Etexts Activity

2008-07-14 Thread James Simmons
A couple of weeks ago I announced here that I had text to speech working in the Read Etexts activity. I had reason to believe at the time that this was true. I am sorry to report that I was wrong. What is happening is this: Read Etexts works just fine when running under Sugar Emulation on Xu

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Drake
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:35 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > Is there anything else in the 8.2.0 release which will improve > responsiveness of the XO in general? I think the new X server in the distro upgrade is supposed to launch a lot quicker. We should do a side-by-side bootup time comparison of up

Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Tomeu et al, One persistent request from the users is for "faster" response of the XO (e.g. http://sextosdela37.blogspot.com/2008/04/analizando-el-uso-de-las-laptop-en-el.html) I believe the new Sugar GUI in 8.2.0 may help with that by launching activities faster. I'm told you may know more

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:22 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The other points sound reasonable. I think we need to include a > 'contact email' field in the activity.info for each activity (i'm > kinda shocked we haven't done so yet) so that we can get in touch with This is some

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