VideoChat-7 release

2008-09-18 Thread Stephen Thorne
G'day, I'm pleased to announce that I've had a successful Video conversation, and am releasing the .xo file that is the result of this weeks hard labour. Because of various incompatibilities, mostly due to Record depending on a earlier version of Gstreamer, I have decided to package all the

Re: VideoChat-7 release

2008-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 18.09.2008 um 15:17 schrieb Stephen Thorne: http://suqld.org.au/~stephen/VideoChat-7.xo Yay! We just had a video chat between Australia and Germany :) - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: VideoChat-7 release

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Thorne wrote: | Video negotiates as h263 using the ffmpeg libs. Audio is sent using speex. h.263 is subject to a number of patents in many countries. The patentholders generally demand royalties for any distribution of the encoder or

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Gabriel Eirea wrote: Hi list, I'm having a hard time trying to test an activity in 8.2 using qemu. The activity (Conozco Uruguay) doesn't work in 8.2 although it works fine in previous versions. We suspect it is related to rainbow (trac #8334). Since there is little documentation on rainbow

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 23:54, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, We need to pick the activities we ship with 8.2 when its manufactured for G1G1 users. Management needs to sign off on the final list as early as next week. Its not definitive but we want your input on what we should

Re: [Server-devel] Revisor / yum oddity: anaconda-runtime

2008-09-18 Thread Jerry Vonau
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fedora 9, using F9's revisor which has not changed in a while... - last week, I was able to invoke revisor and create a new installer CD without any problem... - this week, buildinstall dies, and if I enable logging it complains missing anaconda-runtime - this

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Please pick up to 10 and put them in order of priority. We will tally the votes and use that as input to the decision. So, we shipped 19 activities with G1G1v1; that means the ten activities people vote for here are likely to be a subset of that list, and we aren't learning much

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Gabriel Eirea
Ton, Thank you for your response, it clarifies the problem. I will try to compile qemu and hopefully get 8.2 running. Is there another way of testing 8.2 without using an emulator? I have the sugar package in Ubuntu 8.04. I guess there should be a way of installing different versions of sugar

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Ball wrote: | Hi, | | Please pick up to 10 and put them in order of priority. | | We will tally the votes and use that as input to the decision. | | So, we shipped 19 activities with G1G1v1; that means the ten activities | people vote

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Chris Ball wrote: | So, we shipped 19 activities with G1G1v1; that means the ten activities | people vote for here are likely to be a subset of that list, and we | aren't learning much about what new things we should include. People | replying might decide to

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
then I'd also suggest the Xavier activity, which does: - bidding game - chat - file sharing Xavier uses cerebro directly. Tree: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/ypod/Xavier-activity;a=summary Snapshots: http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/index.php/Image:Who.png

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
I noticed in the new help activity there is an activity sampler of 21 activities. Are these going to be shipped? - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
I created RPMs for Fedora 9 and 8 based on the latest qemu from SVN. You can download them from http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/qemu/ You will have to use the -cpu athlon option to get things working. I could run the 8.2-760 ext3 image fine in my Intel iMac desktop (running Fedora 9). It would be

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
Gabriel, To understand Rainbow, start by reading http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow or by asking people about it on IRC. Michael P.S. - You wrote that Since there is little documentation on

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Michael Stone wrote: Gabriel, To understand Rainbow, start by reading http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow or by asking people about it on IRC. Michael P.S. - You wrote that Since

Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello all, Marco and I have been discussing on how to make a window manager like Metacity fit into the Sugar environment, and based on our current discussions, as well as past discussions, it seems clear that we need changes to the Extended Window Manager Hints spec[1]. For details on why we want

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) applications like firefox will need to be modified so that they set the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_APPLICATION hint (ideally we would like to run the applications unmodified). The idea would be that applications would just

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
ton van overbeek wrote: Michael Stone wrote: Gabriel, To understand Rainbow, start by reading http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow or by asking people about it on IRC.

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: The simplest way to do this is mentioned in the draft, namely, to have a new _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE hint, called _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NETBOOK_APP (feel free to suggest a better name :-P). I do not understand at all why _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_FULLSCREEN is insufficient.

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | ... _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_FULLSCREEN ... That should be _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN. Oops, Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: The simplest way to do this is mentioned in the draft, namely, to have a new _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE hint, called _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NETBOOK_APP (feel free to suggest a better name :-P). I

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of our activities have a separate fullscreen mode. Take a look at the two screenshots of record: Fullscreen: http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/sugar_metacity/Captura%20de%20pantalla_1.png Normal:

New joyride build 2458

2008-09-18 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2458 Changes in build 2458 from build: 2456 Size delta: 0.00M -etoys 3.0.2147-1 +etoys 3.0.2153-1 --- Changes for etoys 3.0.2153-1 from 3.0.2147-1 --- + enable Pango for unknown locales (#8530) + fix composite character input

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | However, though we do not always show frames (or panels), there are | some environments which show at least a single panel all the time (eg: | Ubuntu Netbook Remix). In those cases, fullscreen might mean that | frame may

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, I believe we can safely move to a lightly patched Metacity while tagging our windows purely according to the EWMH. That would mean to make Sugar impossible to use on a standard distribution. Marco

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:13:35PM -0300, Gabriel Eirea wrote: Gabriel, Thank you for your detailed and polite response. Thank you for the links. Actually I had already visited links 2 and 3 doing a search on rainbow in the wiki. Unfortuantely I was unable to understand what rainbow means from

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:13:35PM -0300, Gabriel Eirea wrote: Second issue: a very simple question, what does $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data mean? and how can I put the configuration files there when I pack the bundle?

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | In summary, I believe we can safely move to a lightly patched Metacity | while tagging our windows purely according to the EWMH. | | That

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: | On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | In summary, I believe we can safely move to a

Weekend Report

2008-09-18 Thread Michael Stone
Michael Stone prepared the way for 8.2-761, which, pending creation, announcement, and testing will probably our first signed 8.2.0 candidate build, at which time it will be in some danger of being shipped two weeks hence. He expects that 8.2-761 will be published on Friday. --- In more detail

Re: build 8.2-760, Read activity and ebook mode - how to make them work together?

2008-09-18 Thread NoiseEHC
Another possible option, for general use, which we've discussed in the past is a palette dedicated to keyboard mappings, revealing a user configurable set of actions. This would make it possible to see all of the shortcuts for an activity in one consistent place, and even allow the user to

Re: VideoChat-7 release

2008-09-18 Thread Sjoerd Simons
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:30:38PM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le jeudi 18 septembre 2008 à 10:00 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz a écrit : Since I do not feel that I, as a US citizen and resident, can safely redistribute this Activity, I would be interested in tweaking it to use h261 or

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Douglas Bagnall
Greg Smith wrote: What do you think are the most important activities to include? If we're sticking to activities with valid activity.info files, then (AFAICT) we're limited to: XaoS - org.codewiz.XaoS Sokoban - de.hpi.swa.Sokoban Pipes-

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Gabriel Eirea
Michael, I appreciate your response, everyone in OLPC is always trying to help and that is comforting. Everything I write you should read it as feedback from a not very proficient activity developer. I'm not interested in whining nor blaming, just want to help pointing out things that from my

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Gary C Martin
On 19 Sep 2008, at 00:13, Douglas Bagnall wrote: (AFAICT) we're limited to: XaoS - org.codewiz.XaoS Sokoban - de.hpi.swa.Sokoban Pipes- de.hpi.swa.Pipes Bounce - bounce Chat - org.laptop.Chat DrGeoII -

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Gabriel, On 19 Sep 2008, at 01:43, Gabriel Eirea wrote: I appreciate your explanation but my question was not about the literal meaning but about where in the filesystem does the variable point to. I just looked at where my Moon activity was being told to write:

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread Douglas Bagnall
Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps correcting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_tutorial would help? Good point -- done, at least for host_version and bundle_id. As it happens the actually published HelloWorld activity is one of the worst

Re: build 8.2-760, Read activity and ebook mode - how to make them work together?

2008-09-18 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:58 PM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another possible option, for general use, which we've discussed in the past is a palette dedicated to keyboard mappings, revealing a user configurable set of actions. This would make it possible to see all of the shortcuts

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
douglas wrote: Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps correcting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_tutorial would help? Good point -- done, at least for host_version and bundle_id. As it happens the actually published HelloWorld

[Server-devel] mkslim: shed off XS weight

2008-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Jerry, I've merged the mkslim I found in the url you posted - wondering whether stage2 works and in general how done it is... in any case, I've run a quick check - cp -P does not imply --recursive, so I reverted to -a - the 3rd param was not optional, and without it, I think t tried to

Re: [Server-devel] mkslim: shed off XS weight

2008-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in any case, I've run a quick check - cp -P does not imply --recursive, so I reverted to -a - the 3rd param was not optional, and without it, I think t tried to overlay /* -- oops! While testing, I've made a few

Re: [Server-devel] Revisor / yum oddity: anaconda-runtime

2008-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Jerry Vonau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, revisor needs anaconda-runtime, cat /usr/lib/revisor/scripts/F9-buildinstall | grep anaconda Yes, but from what Jeroen has said, revisor will pull it in to satisfy the need at CD build time, without it being listed in