Re: idea for running out of RAM

2008-09-24 Thread John Gilmore
> I agree with Albert's proposal - Newcomers to the Wellington test team > open too many apps all the time - and render their machines unusable > through memory pressure. From that experience, I like the idea of > adding a bit of metadata that hints the mem footprint, and teaching > sugar to preven

Re: Project hosting request: xo-lambda

2008-09-24 Thread Eben Eliason
Agreed! I have been secretly wanting to play around with lisp myself, so I look forward to playing with this a lot. As a small nitpick, I'd recommend dropping 'XO' from the name. While I just discovered that I omitted this detail while discussing naming in the HIG, it doesn't really provide any

Re: idea for running out of RAM

2008-09-24 Thread Ricardo Carrano
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25 Sep 2008, at 01:00, Martin Langhoff wrote: > >> I agree with Albert's proposal - Newcomers to the Wellington test team >> open too many apps all the time - and render their machines unusable >> through memory pressure

New joyride build 2481

2008-09-24 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2481 Changes in build 2481 from build: 2480 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-toolkit 0.82.11-1.olpc3 +sugar-toolkit 0.82.11-3.olpc3 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggr

Re: idea for running out of RAM

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 25 Sep 2008, at 01:00, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I agree with Albert's proposal - Newcomers to the Wellington test team > open too many apps all the time - and render their machines unusable > through memory pressure. From that experience, I like the idea of > adding a bit of metadata that hints

Re: Project hosting request: xo-lambda

2008-09-24 Thread Bobby Powers
very cool! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Antoine van Gelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Project name : XO-Lambda > 2. Existing website, if any : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-Lambda > 3. One-line description : XO-Lambda is a simple Lisp interpreter > for the OLPC XO-1 > 4. Lo

Re: idea for running out of RAM

2008-09-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > setting RAM requirements reminds me of classic macos :) Indeed. And quite fitting - classic macos is the most recent (and memorable) case of "no swap" multi-tasking OS we have. Granted, it *had* a broken vmem scheme, but in

New joyride build 2480

2008-09-24 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2480 Changes in build 2480 from build: 2476 Size delta: 0.13M -sugar-update-control 0.14-1 +sugar-update-control 0.15-1 -cups-libs 1:1.3.7-8.fc9 +cups-libs 1:1.3.8-2.fc9 -glib2 2.16.5-1.fc9 +glib2 2.16.6-1.fc9 -gnupg2 2.0.9-1.fc9 +gnupg2

Project hosting request: xo-lambda

2008-09-24 Thread Antoine van Gelder
1. Project name : XO-Lambda 2. Existing website, if any : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-Lambda 3. One-line description : XO-Lambda is a simple Lisp interpreter for the OLPC XO-1 4. Longer description : XO-Lambda is a simple Lisp interpreter for the OLPC XO-1

Re: update_url and joyride

2008-09-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.09.2008 um 14:10 schrieb C. Scott Ananian: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> how would I have to layout an activity update_url site if I want to >> provide >> a stable version for 8.2 but a later one for joyride builds? IIUC >> then th

Re: update_url and joyride

2008-09-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how would I have to layout an activity update_url site if I want to provide > a stable version for 8.2 but a later one for joyride builds? IIUC then the > joyride updater will also try $update_url/8.2 just like a stable

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of an issue than resolving incompatibilities between libraries (The > Gimp pulls in all sorts of stuff and Inkscape tries to pull in > incompatible libraries, such as an old version of poppler), No longer the case. > inco

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Walter Bender
Erik introduced the Journal/datastore to this thread about modifying the approach Sugar has taken to WM in order to better support legacy applications, The Gimp being everyone's favorite example. I am simply suggesting that the WM is--while not the least of our problems--less of an issue than resol

update_url and joyride

2008-09-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Scott, how would I have to layout an activity update_url site if I want to provide a stable version for 8.2 but a later one for joyride builds? IIUC then the joyride updater will also try $update_url/8.2 just like a stable build does, right? Is there a way to do it without resorting to spe

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it > doesn't directly impact the running of legacy activities. Rainbow is > an issue. And moving data back and forth between Sugar and legacy apps > is an issue. But I'

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it >doesn't directly impact the running of legacy activities. Rainbow is >an issue. And moving data back and forth between Sugar and legacy apps >is an issue. Please s

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well. It's off-topic. > > I guess it came to mind because the Journal and datastore are a point of > incompatibility between Sugar and the rest of the Linux desktop world. > > Erik > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:16:25AM -0

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: "under a tree" collab

2008-09-24 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> i need to point out that ethernet dongles don't seem to play at all >> well with suspend/resume, so the scenarios that you describe may >> have worked well in the past, and may work well on first boot, or >> first device insertion, but will stop workin

Re: 8.2.0 deployments

2008-09-24 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Bert, Just checked on Turkey and we do not expect that they will image and deploy before the end of CY 08. That could change at any time but right now its not on the near term radar. Thanks, Greg S Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Hi, > > is there a list for who is anticipated to be using 8.2.0

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: "under a tree" collab

2008-09-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > i need to point out that ethernet dongles don't seem to play at all > well with suspend/resume, so the scenarios that you describe may > have worked well in the past, and may work well on first boot, or > first device insertion, but will stop working immediately if you > close

Re: [Server-devel] Squid tuning recommendations for OLPC School Server tuning...

2008-09-24 Thread Amos Jeffries
Henrik Nordstrom wrote: > On ons, 2008-09-24 at 10:18 +0200, Henrik Nordstrom wrote: > >> For on-disk objects about 100 bytes. >> >> In-memory objects obviously uses a lot more. Probably something like 1kb >> + the object size rounded up to 4k pages. >> >> Also disable the client db unless you nee

Re: [Server-devel] Squid tuning recommendations for OLPC School Server tuning...

2008-09-24 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
On ons, 2008-09-24 at 10:18 +0200, Henrik Nordstrom wrote: > For on-disk objects about 100 bytes. > > In-memory objects obviously uses a lot more. Probably something like 1kb > + the object size rounded up to 4k pages. > > Also disable the client db unless you need to use the maxconn acl > >

Re: [Server-devel] Squid tuning recommendations for OLPC School Server tuning...

2008-09-24 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
On ons, 2008-09-24 at 14:14 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Good hint, thanks! If we did have such a control, what is the wired > memory that squid will use for each entry? In an email earlier I > wrote... For on-disk objects about 100 bytes. In-memory objects obviously uses a lot more. Probably

Re: [Server-devel] Squid tuning recommendations for OLPC School Server tuning...

2008-09-24 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
On tis, 2008-09-23 at 14:57 +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> You can limit the amount of cache_mem which limits the memory cache > >> size; you could probably modify the squid codebase to start purging > >> objects at a certain object count rather than based on the disk+memory > >> storage size. Th

Re: 8.2.0 deployments

2008-09-24 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Bert, Thanks for asking. Its been a moving target, as a lot depends on the release date and the changing status of the various deployments. It also depends on the release date for 8.2.1. That said, I definitely should have posted that sooner! In short the target customers who are likely to

Emulating 8.2 images on QEMU for windows

2008-09-24 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Mel, You (and anybody else interested) can find my version of QEMU for Windows which runs 8.2 and joyride images successfully here: http://www.v-overbeek.nl/XO-1/qemu-svn-4887-for-windows.zip . Below the README from the zip file:

Re: Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-763!

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi NoiseEHC, On 24 Sep 2008, at 13:20, NoiseEHC wrote: > 5. If I close Record and then start the picture, it starts Browse and > shows the picture. Why does it show it in Browse? > 6. Now when I want to quit Browse it gives me that "Keep error" > question > ("Stop anyway" at least works now). >

Re: Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-763!

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Luya, On 24 Sep 2008, at 11:20, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > I would like to test with XO B4 but my concern is about suspend issue > which does not at > all. Should I try anyway? > > Luya I've only have an XO B4 here and have been running the builds (and making bug reports) just fine. The aut

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: "under a tree" collab

2008-09-24 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 20:33, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had already filed #8354 on the default presence server, and #8353 > included > misnaming that field in the control panel. As #8353 was marked a > duplicate of > another ticket which didn't include the misnaming, I fear

Re: Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-763!

2008-09-24 Thread NoiseEHC
I love it! I do not know who did this, but it seems that my WPA connection issues are gone. It connected automatically 2 times in a row, thank you! Now after updating from 760, on the first boot the software update came up, checked Activities' versions, and when I clicked that download and inst

question about unexpected suspend - build 711

2008-09-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Had a secured XO. Installed 711. Last night started a 1+ GB rsync (from another XO), then went to bed. This morning, found that the secured XO had suspended (power light slowly flashing), thereby dropping power to the USB adapter I was using for the transfer. The secured XO __HAD__ the file

Re: Please help test our new best 8.2.0 candidate, 8.2-763!

2008-09-24 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
I would like to test with XO B4 but my concern is about suspend issue which does not at all. Should I try anyway? Luya ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: testing ejabberd

2008-09-24 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 24 septembre 2008 à 16:29 +1200, Douglas Bagnall a écrit : > Guillaume, > > > Would be helpful if you could upload Gabble log somewhere. Before > > starting hyperactivity, launch Gabble manually like this: > > GABBLE_PERSIST=1 GABBLE_LOGFILE=/tmp/gabble.log GABBLE_DEBUG=all > > LM_DEBU