Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Wiki.laptop.org is a public-facing Web site used by many, many people who > are not on devel@ or hunt for RT tickets or listen in on VIG meetings. Our > public services - especially during our G1G1 period - are mission-critical > and we cannot treat them casually. While I sympathize with the us

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:47:02PM +1800, David Farning wrote: >On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> David - >> >> I don't understand that comment. What "several efforts" are you talking >> about? I don't think there were several efforts to publicize this ou

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> is xfce the right choice? i know it's "easy", but we should be >> sure it's correct. (i've been using it on my own xo, in a >> relatively unsophisticated way, but in the end that only makes it >> feel like an unsophisticated interface, so i may not be

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Samuel Klein wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Bernie Innocenti >> I'd volunteer to work on a "testwiki.laptop.org" running a copy of >> Mediawiki with its own database, where we could performs upgrades. > > OK, but I think it's often unnecessary for wikis - you can switch the > db to read-

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > debxo manages to fit a gnome build in a small enough space to fit > on the NAND I agree that there exist smaller distributions than Fedora 10, but that doesn't make F10 one of them (yet). Still, it's nice to have a proof of concept, and the delta of debxo's gnome.img - sugar.img (80M

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread david
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > > is xfce the right choice? i know it's "easy", but we should be > > sure it's correct. (i've been using it on my own xo, in a > > relatively unsophisticated way, but in the end that only makes it > > feel like an unsophisticated interface,

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > is xfce the right choice? i know it's "easy", but we should be > sure it's correct. (i've been using it on my own xo, in a > relatively unsophisticated way, but in the end that only makes it > feel like an unsophisticated interface, so i may not be the best > judge. :-) I

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Bernie Innocenti > I'd volunteer to work on a "testwiki.laptop.org" running a copy of > Mediawiki with its own database, where we could performs upgrades. OK, but I think it's often unnecessary for wikis - you can switch the db to read-only mode instead. SJ ___

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread pgf
chris wrote: > Hi, > >> I meant that we would ship a Sugar interface and a "standard" >> Fedora X-Window interface (e.g. XFCE) on the same NAND. I should >> have said "desktop environments" as Martin notes. > > Okay, I see, that sounds good. If we're comfortable with Xfce, it

Re: [sugar] XO identity shared via Browse

2008-12-04 Thread Luke Faraone
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 19:17, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm copying in Devel and will drop the sugar list on further replies > (hope that's the right netiquette in this case...). (note: I'm not on devel, so please keep me CC'd) > > security) who are the principals? > > what

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Mark Bauer
I second the motion of putting the xfce as an option in the control panel. As these kids with the machine get older, it gives them an option to continue learning and using a machine that will come closer to matching those in business. I have been playing with the gentoo xo spin, and it boots

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > I meant that we would ship a Sugar interface and a "standard" > Fedora X-Window interface (e.g. XFCE) on the same NAND. I should > have said "desktop environments" as Martin notes. Okay, I see, that sounds good. If we're comfortable with Xfce, it sounds like we should resurrect Sc

Re: OLPC/SL relationship

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
(I've cut away everything else, to which I entirely agree) Samuel Klein wrote: >> We apparently discussed it for a while, but I still didn't get around >> to catch up with my email. All I know for sure is that this time I'll >> just sit back and enjoy the conference as a guest. ;-) > > I'm sure

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Martin and Peter, Sorry got my Linux terminology a little munged there. I meant that we would ship a Sugar interface and a "standard" Fedora X-Window interface (e.g. XFCE) on the same NAND. I should have said "desktop environments" as Martin notes. Thanks for the tips and comments. You can

Re: [sugar] XO identity shared via Browse

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, I'm copying in Devel and will drop the sugar list on further replies (hope that's the right netiquette in this case...). Of all the e-mails I have sent this week I never would have guess that this one would generate the most responses! Maybe it was the use of the term SSO :( I updated

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:36:53PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > [Chris] So we'd ship two different distributions on the NAND? > GS - Yes. GS: I think you meant "desktop environments", not "distributions". > Greg S Martin pgp75WddDP55Y.pgp Description: PGP signature __

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Jerry Vonau
Anna wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Jerry Vonau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> auto-negotiation appears to be failing, setting the card to a down state. >> Ok think we need to set the speed of the card by hand, via ifcfg-eth1 file, >> could you add: >> ETHTOOL_OPTS= speed <10/100/1000

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:36:53PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Erik, Peter and Chris, > > Thanks a lot for the comments and offer of help! > > I updated the requirement to explain that the idea is a slimmed down > version of Fedora which fits on our NAND. > > I added a comment about upgrading t

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Peter Robinson
> * So we'd ship two different distributions on the NAND? > GS - Yes. Why are we planning on shipping two distros? Or am I missing something? As OLPC is essentially based on Fedora and isn't that divergent (and we're trying to make is less so) would we not be aiming for two different desktop inter

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Anna
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Jerry Vonau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> auto-negotiation appears to be failing, setting the card to a down state. > Ok think we need to set the speed of the card by hand, via ifcfg-eth1 file, > could you add: > ETHTOOL_OPTS= speed <10/100/1000> duplex autoneg

RE: Music Keyboard for TamTam?

2008-12-04 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Thanks for all your efforts! The last time I used a midi keyboard with a Mac (it was a G3) it had to have a special "midi interface" and then was just "plug and play" from there using Finale as a program. In looking over your discussion below, it looks like you did manage to get a midi keyboar

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Erik, Peter and Chris, Thanks a lot for the comments and offer of help! I updated the requirement to explain that the idea is a slimmed down version of Fedora which fits on our NAND. I added a comment about upgrading too. Here are some comments on the rest of Chris's questions: * So we'd s

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Jerry Vonau
Anna wrote: > Per Jerry's suggestion, I added this to /etc/modprobe.d/xs_bonding and > deleted stuff from the prior suggestion, though I can put that back in if > it's going to make a difference. > > options lanbond0 mode=active-backup arp_interval=1000 arp_ip_target= > 172.18.96.5 > > I went ahe

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > This is the case for the official Fedora 10. It need not be the > case for an rpm-based system built out of the Fedora 10 > repositories. I am currently working on a solution which should > comfortably fit into the 1 GB of NAND FLASH. Call it a respin. > rpmxo. * So we'd s

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:01:31PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Greg, > >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Linux_and_OS > >> Any comments welcome. Do they make sense? Are they well defined? >> What else do we need to track? > > FWIW, I think this is the first I've heard of

Re: Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-04 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Greg, > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Linux_and_OS > Any comments welcome. Do they make sense? Are they well defined? > What else do we need to track? FWIW, I think this is the first I've heard of: "Must allow switching between Fedora 10 with a conventional desktop

Minutes of Power in 9.1.0 meeting

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Greg, Chris, Joe, Erik, Mitch and Deepak met on Thursday 12/4. Minutes: Will use the feature roadmap for tracking: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Power_management We need to address the three separate high level areas on that page. We rewrote the requirement and listed all bugs and ar

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Samuel Klein wrote: > Agreed. I think for the past 4 months or so, since we started to get > double our previous traffic, significant steady use of our sites by > Uruguay, and (in particular) a stronger dependence on w.l.o and l.o by > deployments and press events, > * we no longer have 'safe' t

Re: xo activity idea

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Yifan, Sounds like a good idea! I made a feature for you to track this work on our roadmap at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Spell_checker_in_write Fill in more details as you have them and other people can sign up to help there too. FYI all, I'm making a last push to get every

Re: OLPC/SL relationship

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Samuel Klein wrote: >>> I was speaking of larger communication issues. >> >> Great. Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and >> more public!) information? Communication issues are rarely fixed by >>

Re: OLPC/SL relationship

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
[dropping olpc-sysadmin@ from the cc list, updating the topic] Samuel Klein wrote: >> I was speaking of larger communication issues. > > Great. Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular (and > more public!) information? Communication issues are rarely fixed by > throwing pies. Ann

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
+1 ~! Thanks ypod. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Without meaning to undervalue the significance of this thread, it does > not seem to pertain anymore to the subject of the devel list ___ Devel m

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Without meaning to undervalue the significance of this thread, it does not seem to pertain anymore to the subject of the devel list whose description is "Software development mailing list" (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/) :-) I refer to devel's description for the sake of completeness, not s

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
Let's keep this discussion civil... On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was speaking of larger communication issues. Great. Can we resolve them by providing more and more regular

Re: F10 - recognizing other XOs

2008-12-04 Thread Caroline Meeks
I am having similar problems, reported on ticket 61 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/61 My XO does not have power management turned on. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is someone working on Neighborhood View for 9.1 ? I'm running > several XOs (two o

Re: F10 - recognizing other XOs

2008-12-04 Thread John Gilmore
> What I see in Neighborhood View is inconsistent - none of the XOs > sees all of the others, and who sees whom changes from day to day. There are bugs around auto-suspend and the Presence Service. Those are being worked on for 9.1, as part of reducing overall power consumption (enabling invisib

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Anna
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Reuben K. Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I just tried a clean install and DHCP doesn't come up. When I > check status it continues to tell me that I must run network-config and > domain-config before DHPCd can start; even though I have run those > repe

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I was speaking of larger communication issues. > > Whoa, David -- is it necessary to assume malice? I don't think your > tone is helpful in this

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Incidentally, we have laid the groundwork to have safe "sandbox" > versions of all our important services where changes can be tested > prior to being made on the live site. This wiki upgrade would have > been a perfect opportunity to use a sandbox. Yeah, I remember some

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Actually, I just tried a clean install and DHCP doesn't come up. When I check status it continues to tell me that I must run network-config and domain-config before DHPCd can start; even though I have run those repeatedly. Reuben Martin Langhoff wrote: > > Clean 0.5 > installs work better for y

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was speaking of larger communication issues. Whoa, David -- is it necessary to assume malice? I don't think your tone is helpful in this case. The thanksgiving holidays intervened, and Michael Stone isn't even back from

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David - > > I don't understand that comment. What "several efforts" are you talking > about? I don't think there were several efforts to publicize this outage - > if so, the scope of those efforts wasn't sufficient IMHO.

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Also, bernie checked 'secrets.php' into git during his upgrade. Thank goodness this wasn't pushed to dev! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bernie Innocenti >> Sorry if I reacted defensively, sending notifications to devel@ was >> our best practice in the good old pre-G1G1 days, but, clearly, it's no >> longer sufficient now. Esta

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Reuben K. Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software#Upgrading_from_XS_0.4_or_earlier > > Does not include network-config. Should it? As far as I tested... no. But I could be wrong about this. Between 4 and 5, the %post inst

[Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Anna
Per Jerry's suggestion, I added this to /etc/modprobe.d/xs_bonding and deleted stuff from the prior suggestion, though I can put that back in if it's going to make a difference. options lanbond0 mode=active-backup arp_interval=1000 arp_ip_target= 172.18.96.5 I went ahead and rebooted. I connecte

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Reuben K. Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I too am having problems with DHCP (and ejabberd) on XS 0.5. >> > > That's interesting! Thanks for the writeup... > > >> I reviewed /etc/sysconfig/olpc-scripts/dhcpd.conf.1 - It did

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Bernie Innocenti > Sorry if I reacted defensively, sending notifications to devel@ was > our best practice in the good old pre-G1G1 days, but, clearly, it's no > longer sufficient now. Establishing procedures for notifying planned > outages seems like a good course

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Reuben K. Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I too am having problems with DHCP (and ejabberd) on XS 0.5. That's interesting! Thanks for the writeup... > I reviewed /etc/sysconfig/olpc-scripts/dhcpd.conf.1 - It did not match > dhcpd-xs.conf > > I ran ./network-conf

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ed McNierney wrote: > Wiki.laptop.org is a public-facing Web site used by many, many people who > are not on devel@ or hunt for RT tickets or listen in on VIG meetings. Our > public services - especially during our G1G1 period - are mission-critical > and we cannot treat them casually. > > Henry

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Ed McNierney
Bernie - Wiki.laptop.org is a public-facing Web site used by many, many people who are not on devel@ or hunt for RT tickets or listen in on VIG meetings. Our public services - especially during our G1G1 period - are mission-critical and we cannot treat them casually. Henry and I spoke briefly th

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Yes, it is on the server. However isn't it a bit chicken and egg setting an ip address that will be on the wire given that the device on the wire is waiting for an ip address from the server? Jerry Vonau wrote: > Reuben K. Caron wrote: >> Thanks for clarification. Still no go: >> >> Dec 4 12:12:

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ed McNierney wrote: > David - > > I don't understand that comment. What "several efforts" are you talking > about? I don't think there were several efforts to publicize this outage - > if so, the scope of those efforts wasn't sufficient IMHO. I, for one, insistently tried to have a face to face

Re: [Server-devel] XS 0.5 Second Attempt at eth1

2008-12-04 Thread Jerry Vonau
Reuben K. Caron wrote: > Thanks for clarification. Still no go: > > Dec 4 12:12:24 schoolserver1 kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, > full-duplex, lpa 0xC1E1 > Dec 4 12:12:24 schoolserver1 kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, > full-duplex, lpa 0xC1E1 > Dec 4 12:12:24 schoolserver1 kernel: Ethernet Cha

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ed McNierney wrote: > Perhaps I missed it, but I do not recall any email review or discussion of > the value or need for either OpenID or a MediaWiki update, and I don't > understand how we made the decision that either was more valuable than > keeping one of our two major public sites online. > >

F10 - recognizing other XOs

2008-12-04 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Is someone working on Neighborhood View for 9.1 ? I'm running several XOs (two on latest joyride, one on 767), but they are not connected to any servers. What I see in Neighborhood View is inconsistent - none of the XOs sees all of the others, and who sees whom changes from day to day. When

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Peter Robinson
> I don't understand that comment. What "several efforts" are you talking > about? I don't think there were several efforts to publicize this outage - > if so, the scope of those efforts wasn't sufficient IMHO. Wouldn't a central location like an outages or maintenance mailing list for all those

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Ed McNierney
David - I don't understand that comment. What "several efforts" are you talking about? I don't think there were several efforts to publicize this outage - if so, the scope of those efforts wasn't sufficient IMHO. - Ed On 12/4/08 10:48 AM, "David Farning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On F

Re: Power Management plan for December - Meeting 2PM US ET 12/4 (today)

2008-12-04 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Comments welcome. I'm not sure if there is a ticket about this, but when my recent-joyride G1G1 (which is plugged into AC) suspends, its screen goes to half-bright -- and stays that way forever. I don't know if this also happens with XOs which are not externally powered - but I think there o

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bernie - > > We should *never* take our public-facing Web services offline deliberately > without scheduling that event in advance and sending warnings and reminders > of when that scheduled maintenance will occur. Never. T

Re: [Olpc-sysadmin] wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Ed I was the one who made the decision to go forward with this upgrade. I was present working with Bernie throughout. This was discussed in the Tuesday sysadmin IRC meeting. We have had numerous requests for these enhanced features such as http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=23067 What w

Power Management plan for December - Meeting 2PM US ET 12/4 (today)

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Chris et al, We will have a one hour meeting from 2 - 3 PM US ET today (Thursday 12/4) to talk about power work for 9.1. Everyone who wants to contribute is welcome. We will use this dial in: From the United States 866-213-2185 From Outside the United States 1-609-454-99

9.1.0 Weekly Meeting Minutes (formerly called the feature roadmap meeting)

2008-12-04 Thread Greg Smith
Caryl, Chris, Scott, Ed, CJL, Greg, Marco and possibly others met on IRC, Wed. December 3. Next meeting December 10 2PM US ET. See agenda below. Notes: - XO camp update. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2 Comment that travel budget is not final but Ed is working on it. Discussion about the

Re: [sugar] [Proposal] .xot bundles, for translations

2008-12-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I meant to say is that all the good things we get from a bespoke > packaging format, we can get from rpm with a few conventions as to the > directories where things land. A couple of additional notes from a private s

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Ed McNierney
Bernie - We should *never* take our public-facing Web services offline deliberately without scheduling that event in advance and sending warnings and reminders of when that scheduled maintenance will occur. Never. There are a lot of people who have been working very hard over the last few weeks

Re: wiki.laptop.org upgrade

2008-12-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ed McNierney wrote: > What was the motivation for this upgrade? Why did we need to take the wiki > offline for several hours during our G1G1 promotion? Thanks. It was offline for approximately 45 minutes (and it was mostly due to a weird problem that took a while to figure out). The main motiva

Hosting request for new activity: Retroscope

2008-12-04 Thread Gabriel Burt
1. Project name : Retroscope 2. Existing website, if any : none 3. One-line description : Activity showing live video, but delayed 1 to 10 seconds 4. Longer description : It's really that simple; working .xo file attached to : http://lists.laptop.

Re: Music Keyboard for TamTam?

2008-12-04 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Caryl Bigenho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for all your efforts! > > The last time I used a midi keyboard with a Mac (it was a G3) it had to have > a special "midi interface" and then was just "plug and play" from there > using Finale as a program. In looking