Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the > build system now that we moved to a separate boot partition. We should > probably write the version on both partitions. Yep - /etc/olpc_build is probably a good location for

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Mitch Bradley
I don't like the idea of a second copy - "A man with 2 watches never knows what time it is". Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > >> Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the >> build system now that we moved to a separate bo

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > I don't like the idea of a second copy - "A man with 2 watches never knows > what time it is". If we can make sure /boot is mounted, a symlink -- will do :-) The convention is that the OS build is identified by someting in the form of /etc/

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying: > no mesh network showing in neighbourhood My understanding is that mesh is not currently supported in the WLAN firmware for the new chips. I am not sure what the plan of action is in regards to mesh support for 1.5. > the new record act

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/21 Martin Langhoff : > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the >> build system now that we moved to a separate boot partition. We should >> probably write the version on both partitions. > > Yep - /etc/olpc_

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:18:54AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > The convention is that the OS build is identified by someting in the > form of /etc/foo-release ("lsb-release"). The SoaS plan is to create /etc/soas-release, FWIW. > cheers, > m Martin pgpKeeV0I5lGX.pgp Description: PGP signat

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Brenda Wallace
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/10/21 Tabitha Roder : >> 2009/10/21 Mitch Bradley : >>> /boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number. >>> >> no such file or directory > > Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the > build system now that

Re: first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 06:57:52PM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote: > Hi Paul > > > ?> > many keys only work intermittently on some of these XOs. particularly > > ?> > - frame key and the key next to it, search key, function key, hand > > ?> > keys, divide/multiply key. > > > > is this reproducible in

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Paul Fox
mitch wrote: > I don't like the idea of a second copy - "A man with 2 watches never > knows what time it is". but in this case, both watches would be right, and that would be very interesting information indeed. :-) (i.e., they should never be out of sync, and if they are, then it's better to

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > The media is split into a /boot ext2 partition with the rest > setup as ext4 so that OFW can read olpc.fth and do other > operations without needing to have support for ext4. I noticed > the inidicator too and find it very confusing from an end-user UI > perspective. One shoul

Update version for F11-1.5

2009-10-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Hi, what is the version sequence in update_url that the Sugar activity updater tries on F11-1.5? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

XO in 2 identical SSID scenario

2009-10-21 Thread Andrés Nacelle
Hello pals, some time ago I did some research on the behavior from the XO in places with more than one access point with the same SSID, and the results from this test weren't much god. As some of you may remember basically what my study said was that the connection jumps from one AP to another too

Re: Update version for F11-1.5

2009-10-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.10.2009, at 18:02, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Hi, > > what is the version sequence in update_url that the Sugar activity > updater tries on F11-1.5? > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups Err, I meant this spec:

Re: Update version for F11-1.5

2009-10-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.10.2009, at 18:31, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 21.10.2009, at 18:02, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> what is the version sequence in update_url that the Sugar activity >> updater tries on F11-1.5? >> >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups > > Err, I meant this

Re: [IAEP] Alpha release - Deducto and Color Deducto activity

2009-10-21 Thread Manusheel Gupta
Tomeu, Thank you so much. We appreciate your wonderful support as always. We have been working on localizing Deducto and Color Deducto to Spanish, and will be sending the Spanish po file to olpc-sur for review within this week. We have made some revisions to Deducto and Color Deducto based on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Alpha release - Deducto and Color Deducto activity

2009-10-21 Thread Manusheel Gupta
Dan, Appreciate your wonderful feedback. Thank you. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Dan Krejsa wrote: > > A few comments: > > - I found the help and instructions not terribly clear. I eventually > figured >out what to do, but I'm not sure many children would have the patience. >Her

[Server-devel] Question from University of Delaware XO Class

2009-10-21 Thread Josh Totoro
Is it possible to save and retrieve files from an XO to an XS server. I guess it would be similar to a network folder in windows that can be accessed by any XO. Josh Totoro Charter School Management Inc. 302 E 5th St. Chester, PA 19013 (610) 447-0400 x329 jtot...@chartersmi.com www.chartersmi.c

Bug specific to Fedora 11 on both XO-1 and XO-1.5

2009-10-21 Thread Manusheel Gupta
Tomeu, Mikus reported an interesting bug on both the XO-1 and XO-1.5 running F11 - Color Deducto activity comes up without color. Please find the logs attached - http://pastebin.com/m7fb5ca12 . Wish if you could suggest pointers to debug this issue. Thank you. Regards, Manu ___

Re: Bug specific to Fedora 11 on both XO-1 and XO-1.5

2009-10-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 20:28, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > Tomeu, > > Mikus reported an interesting bug on both the XO-1 and XO-1.5 running F11 - > Color Deducto activity comes up without color. Please find the logs attached > - http://pastebin.com/m7fb5ca12 . > > Wish if you could suggest pointers t

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread John Gilmore
> On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying: > > no mesh network showing in neighbourhood > > My understanding is that mesh is not currently supported in the > WLAN firmware for the new chips. I am not sure what the plan of > action is in regards to mesh support for 1.5. For lapt

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Tiago Marques
So mesh networking is going away in favor of ad-hocs? If so, why? Hasn't mesh proved useful in deployments? Best regards, Tiago Marques On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:54 PM, John Gilmore wrote: >> On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying: >> > no mesh network showing in neighbourhood

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 20:54, John Gilmore wrote: >> On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying: >> > no mesh network showing in neighbourhood >> >> My understanding is that mesh is not currently supported in the >> WLAN firmware for the new chips. I am not sure what the plan of >>

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > But I don't know if NetworkManager and Sugar are fully organized to do > "Ad Hoc" networking, presence, messaging, file sharing, etc in the > absence of an access point. They are -- but it's pretty awkward to activate. I am arguing that ad-ho

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > But I don't know if NetworkManager and Sugar are fully organized > to do "Ad Hoc" networking, presence, messaging, file sharing, etc > in the absence of an access point. They are; the final piece was work by Tomeu Vizoso to add a UI for creating/joining ad-hoc networks in Sugar, wh

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 21:11, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >   > But I don't know if NetworkManager and Sugar are fully organized >   > to do "Ad Hoc" networking, presence, messaging, file sharing, etc >   > in the absence of an access point. > > They are; the final piece was work by Tomeu Vizoso to

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO in 2 identical SSID scenario

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 02:26:28PM -0200, Andr?s Nacelle wrote: > Hello pals, some time ago I did some research on the behavior from the > XO in places with more than one access point with the same SSID, and > the results from this test weren't much god. As some of you may > remember basically what

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Ed McNierney
On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Tiago Marques wrote: > Hasn't mesh proved useful in deployments? No, it hasn't. We actively discourage anyone from using it, and I'm not aware of any successful applications of it except in test and demonstration situations. I suspect you are, like many, many pe

Re: Test firmware

2009-10-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > http://dev.laptop.org/~wmb/q3a13c.rom > > This is a "brown bag" release whose main purpose is to test the > effectiveness of Richard's EC fixes for the "keyboard stops working" > problem. Did 4 reboot cycles with q3a13c and haven't seen ag

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/22 Martin Langhoff : > They are -- but it's pretty awkward to activate. I am arguing that > ad-hoc networking with a preset ESSID, and Salut should be the > transparent fallback. Just like the mesh was on earlier releases. We already discussed this a lot in another thread. It should not be

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 07:48:06AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: > Ad-hoc will work well for the cases where the children get together in > a small space and explicitly create a throwaway network. If it is > created automatically, I predict we will just get an unreliable mess. And we won't really be

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Tabitha Roder
No mesh: Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5 XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story and then have the other children join in to write together. How does the teacher do this - in less than 100 words and not one word technical

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Tabitha Roder wrote: > No mesh: > > Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5 > XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story > and then have the other children join in to write together. Yes. This is really true, on the XO-1, right no

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines [#9343]

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
G'day Tabitha, I think I can relax you a bit ... there seems to have been a minor misunderstanding caused by ambiguous terms. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:06:15PM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote: > No mesh: > > Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been > handed 5 XOs for my stud

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/22 Tabitha Roder : > No mesh: > > Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5 > XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story > and then have the other children join in to write together. > How does the teacher do this - in less tha

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines [#9343]

2009-10-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/22 James Cameron : > You can manually establish an Ad-Hoc network between several XO-1.5's in > build os32 using the following temporary procedure: > > 1.  start Terminal and become root, eek! no need to get dirty; you can create an ad-hoc network from a single click in the frame, and then

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines

2009-10-21 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Wednesday 21 October 2009 06:41:54 pm Ed McNierney wrote: > I also want to point out that in cases where 802.11s mesh operation is > desirable, the Open802.11s stack (http://www.open80211s.org/) should > be investigated. There's no reason Open802.11s software can't be used > to make an XO a Mes

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines [#9343]

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:24:08AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: > eek! no need to get dirty; you can create an ad-hoc network from a > single click in the frame, and then the others can join it from the > neighborhood view. Sounds neat. Doesn't work. #9540 raised. -- James Cameron http://quozl.l

Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines [#9343]

2009-10-21 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 02:31:28PM +1100, James Cameron wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:06:15PM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote: > > Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been > > handed 5 XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start > > writing a story and then h