guaranteed gorgeous XO-1.5/Sugar intro..thx to Mike Lee's VISUALS..and you!

2010-03-24 Thread Holt
Pretty stunning visual map, to gear us all up for this weekend's "bookwriting" sprint in Washington DC: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Start#Visual_Site_Map Check out Mike Lee screenshot gallery too: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Start#Screenshot_Gallery Thanks everybody for jumping in to DC/Virginia th

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> I can tell you that youtube is well within reach of both the XO-1 and 1.5, > currently (or at least up to build 114), it was running better and faster on > the XO-1 rather than on the XO 1.5 due to the presence of Xv support. The > problem is that I can only have decent performance by not using F

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Oh dear. Googling HQTube ended up with the top 2 entries being porn sites :-/ I think something needs a project name change :) Anyway, wouldn't there be a problem if we bundled HQTube because VLC/Xine/MPlayer would still need licensed codecs to be able to decode audio/video streams? (FFmpeg/Gstrea

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 116

2010-03-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > What's in the minisugar folder? Good eyes. :) It's the same build, but without GNOME/the sugar_activities_extra group, in order to see how easy it is to make a small Sugar build. The answer is that the image is 280M compressed, 831M uncompressed used after boot. - Chris. -- Chris Ba

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 116

2010-03-24 Thread Sameer Verma
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 > http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os116 > > Compressed image size: 678.37mb (+0.01mb since build 115) > > Description of changes in this build: >  * powerd: fix auto-reconnection after an idle-suspend (#10086

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Tiago Marques
Hi Carlos, On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > I don't get it. > > 1) Flash is no more "evil" as Java was years ago when it was closed > source and it was being taught at universities. > > There is now an open-source SDK (Flex SDK (there's 2 versions, the > closed source an

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Tiago Marques
Hi all, I can tell you that youtube is well within reach of both the XO-1 and 1.5, currently(or at least up to build 114), it was running better and faster on the XO-1 rather than on the XO 1.5 due to the presence of Xv support. The problem is that I can only have decent performance by not using F

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 116

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
chris wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 > http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os116 > > Compressed image size: 678.37mb (+0.01mb since build 115) > > Description of changes in this build: > * powerd: fix auto-reconnection after an idle-suspend (#10086) also new in powerd (chris m

New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 116

2010-03-24 Thread Chris Ball
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os116 Compressed image size: 678.37mb (+0.01mb since build 115) Description of changes in this build: * powerd: fix auto-reconnection after an idle-suspend (#10086) * pull F11 updates Package changes since build 115: -bind-l

Re: [Server-devel] Web Caching Issues

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Andra DuPont wrote: > I took Jerry's second approach and configured wwwoffle to use port 3128. Excellent path. I am trying to get a newer version of wwwoffle built as a good rpm for the XS, and to give you a clear recipe on how to get this working. I think you are

Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] scalability in the neighborhood view

2010-03-24 Thread Frederick Grose
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Eben Eliason wrote: > ... > Yeah, definitely. We did a lot of thinking on this topic way back > when, so there is some documentation already describing a proposed > model: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Specifications/Groups > > We also have a first s

Re: To Gnome or not to Gnome

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Children discovered some very creative ways to break their systems > through Gnome. LOL! And whatever we fix up, more creative ways of making a mess will appear. All I can suggest is that having a hardlinked tree of the "core" Activities

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
mikus wrote: > > > Please - make sure that it takes a multi-second duration of > > > the power button to perform a *complete* shutdown. > > > > no, definitely not. training users to hold down power buttons > > is/was a huge mistake, since getting in the habit is a little > > like parking

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> > Please - make sure that it takes a multi-second duration of > > the power button to perform a *complete* shutdown. > > no, definitely not. training users to hold down power buttons > is/was a huge mistake, since getting in the habit is a little > like parking your car by letting it hit the

Re: To Gnome or not to Gnome

2010-03-24 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 08:44:06 pm Bernie Innocenti wrote: > >test -f $HOMEDIR/.dontrestore || tar xjvf /var/lib/home-save.tbz -C > > > > $HOMEDIR ./ > > Users tend to fill up their home very quickly and we don't have > 400-500MB of free space for an extra copy. The backup would only contai

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
hi mikus -- mikus wrote: > > what do you think? 'a' or 'b'? > > As long as the possibility exists to manually edit a configuration file, > I myself will change the sleep behavior to be like 'before'. yes, the new scheme ('b') is configurable. > > I do not care whether it takes a keystro

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 15:42, Gabriel Eirea wrote: > Hello, interesting thread. > >> FYI: One of our largest deployments and two other smaller deployments have >> received approval to ship Adobe Flash in their builds. > > In Uruguay, Ceibal started shipping Adobe Flash with their official > build

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Gabriel Eirea
Hello, interesting thread. > FYI: One of our largest deployments and two other smaller deployments have > received approval to ship Adobe Flash in their builds. In Uruguay, Ceibal started shipping Adobe Flash with their official build at the beginning of 2009. My personal observation is that thi

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 15:19, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 24.03.2010, at 14:12, Reuben K. Caron wrote: >> >> >> On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Ball wrote: >>> >>> 2) it is nowhere near possible to properly edit Flash content in a GUI >>>  on an XO because the software to do so does not exis

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > Yes and no. Anyone technically capable to rebuild our build system, as you > mention below, will be able to easily script the installation of AIR. Nope. I am fairly good with it, and I cannot script the installation of AIR. If you have a t

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.03.2010, at 14:12, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Ball wrote: >> >> 2) it is nowhere near possible to properly edit Flash content in a GUI >> on an XO because the software to do so does not exist, and suffers >> from a complex and underspecified set of c

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Ed McNierney
Reuben - You're welcome, but it wasn't much of an effort - I filled out a form on Adobe's Web site and replied to one email message! - Ed On Mar 24, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > Ed, > > Great news. Thanks for letting us know and thank you for doing the legwork to > get

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Ed, Great news. Thanks for letting us know and thank you for doing the legwork to get that accomplished. Reuben On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Ed McNierney wrote: > Folks - > > OLPC already has a license from Adobe to redistribute Adobe Flash. > We can provide that to any deployment that req

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >>> Maybe the reason we're miscommunicating is that you don't >>> understand that we aren't willing to expect that our users have >>> access to another computer running Windows (because they don't) >>> [..] > >> This is an odd argument consi

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Ed McNierney
Folks - OLPC already has a license from Adobe to redistribute Adobe Flash. We can provide that to any deployment that requests it; if a deployment decides they need it, we don't need to force them to install it themselves. However, Adobe pointed out that since OLPC's Linux distro (a Fedora Rem

Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] scalability in the neighborhood view

2010-03-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> Yep - no prob for me. The GUI side probably needs a bit of extra >>> thinking so that it avoids being specific to the backend works (moodle >>> in this case)... >> >> I was thinking

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Reuben K. Caron > wrote: >> IMHO, OLPC would be able to provide deployments with the option of >> including >> Adobe Flash, while continuing to include Gnash as default > > There are some aspects that are

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 49, Issue 43

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > THERE ARE NOW FREE AND OPEN SOURCE TOOLS FOR CREATING FLASH CONTENT. Don't scream! They are new, it'll take a while... until someone does the work of getting the right rpms into Fedora, Debian, etc. This is a DIY world. Get it done if you

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > Who shall be the official contact from OLPC they should talk to? (name > + email address) d...@lists.laptop.org just like everyone else. We don't give linux kernel developers any "special" contact, same with Sugar devs. cheers, m --

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > IMHO, OLPC would be able to provide deployments with the option of including > Adobe Flash, while continuing to include Gnash as default There are some aspects that are outside of OLPC control - We need RPMs from Adobe -- in the case if

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 49, Issue 43

2010-03-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.03.2010, at 01:56, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > >> The real problem with Flash isn't even the non-free player. It's the >> non-free authoring >> tool chain every content creator is locked into, plus that even with the >> tools the >> resulting flash file is not fully editable. The result is an

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-24 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hey Reuben! Thanks for clarifying that. So should I start talking to some of the Adobe peeps I know about this? Who shall be the official contact from OLPC they should talk to? (name + email address) Re: AIR on Sugar/Fedora -> yeah, AIR is an iffy proposition due to Sugar's weird file structure