Re: advantage of full linux over android for OLPC

2011-01-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: While browsing the new slashdot coverage on OLPC, there was a very good point made regarding Android vs. full Linux: There's no JRE/JDK running on Android, so that's a plus for not switching to Android, given that so

Re: advantage of full linux over android for OLPC

2011-01-18 Thread Carlos Nazareno
They are dev machines. There are people using them for exactly that. They also support the full java stack although its probably somewhat slow on the XO-1. Peter Yeah, I was using Processing on the XO 1. It worked fine under Sugar, you just had to launch it via command line and it was a

Re: advantage of full linux over android for OLPC

2011-01-18 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Tuesday 18 January 2011 17:11:50 Carlos Nazareno wrote: They are dev machines. There are people using them for exactly that. They also support the full java stack although its probably somewhat slow on the XO-1. Peter Yeah, I was using Processing on the XO 1. I’ve been using an XO

Re: advantage of full linux over android for OLPC

2011-01-18 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 18 January 2011 20:11, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: Kudos on the switch and getting stuff to run on ARM. Low power = big big deal! (btw, is the battery tech still the same between the XO-1, 1.5 and 1.75)? Yes for the XO-1 and XO-1.5. The XO-1.75 is still in development, but I

Re: advantage of full linux over android for OLPC

2011-01-18 Thread Paul Fox
sridhar wrote: On 18 January 2011 20:11, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: Kudos on the switch and getting stuff to run on ARM. Low power = big big deal! (btw, is the battery tech still the same between the XO-1, 1.5 and 1.75)? Yes for the XO-1 and XO-1.5. The

acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Erik Blankinship
On a dual-boot XO, does it make sense to use the same binary code for sugar activities also in gnome applications? If so, are there guidelines or example acti-plications? If the same binary code is *not *re-used by both platforms, but just the same code base, are there guidelines or examples of

Re: [Sugar-devel] acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 18.01.2011, at 18:41, Erik Blankinship wrote: On a dual-boot XO, does it make sense to use the same binary code for sugar activities also in gnome applications? If so, are there guidelines or example acti-plications? I think it makes a lot of sense. That's one of the reasons the Etoys

Re: [Sugar-devel] acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote: On a dual-boot XO, does it make sense to use the same binary code for sugar activities also in gnome applications?  If so, are there guidelines or example acti-plications? The gnome side will most likely be installed

Re: Announcing XO EC-1.75

2011-01-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Richard A. Smith's message of Tue Jan 18 06:34:45 +0100 2011: So, that's the plan -- right now we're using a non-free compiler (Keil) to build a mostly free (except for PS/2) EC for 1.75, but we're near to replacing the non-free compiler and the non-free PS/2 code at the same

Re: [Sugar-devel] acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Erik Blankinship
The gnome side will most likely be installed via RPMs (or .deb files on Ubuntu/Fedora setups). So your Sugar app could just use the libraries, binaries and resources/assets from the RPM. Examples - Write.xo uses the Abiword libraries. Browse.xo uses xulrunner (the Firefox libraries

Version numbers for XO-1/XO-1.5 vs XO-1.75 releases

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel Drake
We're at a small dilemma regarding numbering of version numbers of OLPC OS releases. The current scheme is documented here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home#Release_Names It would be nice to stick with it, as this is what deployments are now used to. (However, changing to another

Re: Version numbers for XO-1/XO-1.5 vs XO-1.75 releases

2011-01-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: We're at a small dilemma regarding numbering of version numbers of OLPC OS releases. The current scheme is documented here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home#Release_Names It would be nice to stick with it, as

request: Release/build naming consistency

2011-01-18 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hi guys. Is it possible to unify the release names? It becomes extremely confusing for wiki navigators, wiki editors trying to document pages, people looking to update their software, or people just plain looking for information. For example, can build 860 just be renamed to 10.1.3 ? Or the

Re: [Sugar-devel] acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote: If my acti-plication has dependencies that are not part of the underlying build, do I need to install them on the gnome side first? It's not technically at the gnome side... you have to install them in the system :-)

Re: [Sugar-devel] acti-plications: write once, run anywhere?

2011-01-18 Thread Erik Blankinship
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote: If my acti-plication has dependencies that are not part of the underlying build, do I need to install them on the gnome side first?

Re: request: Release/build naming consistency

2011-01-18 Thread James Cameron
Which Wiki pages are confusing? I've not seen any edits that show confusion. A release name is akin to a composite software product version. The naming convention is described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases#Release_naming_scheme A build number is output of the build process.

Re: request: Release/build naming consistency

2011-01-18 Thread James Cameron
... and it would annoy (increase costs to) our deployments to change substantially now. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

[Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
Ay ay ay! This last 12 months have been frantic, as I've ended up biting off a ton more than common sense would recommend to chew. And then chewing, slowly, awkwardly. Good things have come out of the hard work of this year, but the XS has been delayed. One good piece of news is that I've helped

Re: [Server-devel] Notes on Flashing the NAND over the LAN

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote: With the release of 10.1.3, I thought I'd revisit flashing an XO over the LAN.  Here are my notes, if anyone's interested. Interesting! For a full reflash, as James pointed out, NANDBlaster wins. But if you have laptops out there

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 14:29 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: Ay ay ay! This last 12 months have been frantic, as I've ended up biting off a ton more than common sense would recommend to chew. And then chewing, slowly, awkwardly. Good things have come out of the hard work of this year, but the

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel Drake
On 18 January 2011 19:29, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: So -- going back on the traffic we've see in the last 24 months, what would you highlight? What have people asked for (that wasn't easy/trivial/possible)? What problems have we heard that were hard to diagnose...? Some

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread David Leeming
Great news, looking forwards to 0.7 I think three areas where we had some difficulties. 1. Perhaps making the default install easier to set eth0 up for static config 2. Not sure if it is relevant to the build, but we would have enjoyed an easy way to clone from a master, i.e. when setting up a

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Anna
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:31 PM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: I have never tried selecting the Gnome option, but a nice GUI would be useful for users with limited grasp of command line stuff for file management. Maybe that is available already David Leeming Solomon

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread David Leeming
OK point taken! We have used WinSCP on networked Windows PCs too, for this purpose. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link From: Anna [mailto:ascho...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:11 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: XS Devel Subject: Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Anna
Reporting mechanisms would be useful, such as: Squid reporting for the locations with internet access. I've played around with sarg for ad-hoc reports, which really came in handy when I got claims that the internet doesn't work. Not only is it up, but here's what folks are looking at. On an

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 20:28 +, Daniel Drake wrote: On 18 January 2011 19:29, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: So -- going back on the traffic we've see in the last 24 months, what would you highlight? What have people asked for (that wasn't easy/trivial/possible)? What

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread David Leeming
Even if a location doesn't have internet access, daily reporting of the number of unique XOs that got IP addresses would probably be informative. At least you'd have a quick way to see how many XOs are being brought to school and be able to track that over time. Anna Schoolfield Birmingham

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread rihowa...@gmail.com
Martin, I was about to email you regarding what is the latest XS version as I am about to get back to attempting to port the XS to ARM so your email is timely to me. I had put that on hold for quite a while as it turned out Fedora ARM 11/12 lacked a number of items required by the XS. The

Re: [Server-devel] XS-0.7 plans -- your thoughts please...

2011-01-18 Thread Anna
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:12 PM, rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.comwrote: In closing I would like to say, I do not think most administrators would care about RHEL6 or CentOS. In fact they may prefer the modern up to date Fedora 14 features. Thanks rihowa...@gmail.com Seconded.