s are here:
http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Example_GUI
If you are a developer, there is detailed tutorial to do file sharing
from Python prompt (!) here:
http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Buddy_management
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s are here:
http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Example_GUI
If you are a developer, there is detailed tutorial to do file sharing from
Python prompt (!) here:
http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Buddy_management
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Without meaning to undervalue the significance of this thread, it does
not seem to pertain anymore to the subject of the devel list whose
description is "Software development mailing list"
(http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/) :-) I refer to devel's description
for the sake of completeness, not s
l-purpose desktop environment, hildon is gear towards mobile
interfaces on small screen real estate, and Sugar is an environment with
a focus on collaboration and abstraction of concepts such as "files" and
"user accounts". As such, it could sustain a learning process bett
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does not wake up the system in that case.
In the mean time, 760 is not using the latest version of cerebro. Is
there going to be a newer stable?
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Chapter 6 evaluates Cerebro's performance by providing experimental
results on a testbed with tens of nodes.
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Ton van Overbeek wrote:
> When trying the latest joyride builds (last one I tried was 2331) I noticed
> the following regressions (firmware Q2E14):
> - As many have already reported the mesh device msh0 is gone. This caused
> cerebro to abort and consequently to hang the shutdown.
>
The two i
emory (5.9MB total) (WHY?!?!?)
Nothing specific to cerebro up to this point.
Running Cerebro fully-blown as root:
Additional cost: 1.3MB of memory (7.2MB total)
It doesn't seem to me that there's much I can do, except for writing
some parts of Cerebro in C.
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> I filed #8128 to address the memory usage that seems excessive.
>
> I have also disabled cerebro from start-up while this is being
> investigated and the issue with blocking shutdown process (#8108).
> Should be picked up at the next ver
Joyride: 2331
firmware: Q2E14
machine: B4
I don't see mshX in my interfaces. Is this a known issue? Didn't find
anything similar in the archives, sorry if I 'm repeating it.
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Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> 6.5 Mib according to ps_mem
>
> You are right, it's enabled in joyride... it's failing for me because
> it can't find msh0 (not sure why).
>
> Marco
>
I filed #8128 to address the memory usage that seems excessive.
I have also disabled cerebro from start-up while
Why are new versions of Joyride not announced?
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th superior human interfaces (HTTP, 9P, environment
> variables, well-known files, process arguments + status codes + man
> pages).
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
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> P.S. - Let me know if you'd like to see more such remarks in the future
> (perhaps on other subsystems?) or if you'
that pencil!)
Screenshots from a GTK-based (to be sugarized) version are here:
http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/index.php/Screenshots#GTK-based_UI
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Hi Dennis,
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Monday 07 July 2008, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> This is probably meant for the release team.
>> Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working?
>>
>> According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/B
This is probably meant for the release team.
Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working?
According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should
work but newer RPMs of cerebro don't get pulled into joyride. Rumors
have it that this mechanism no longer work
is to
discover nodes in different channels (although different channels do
have a radio scaling advantage).
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> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
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>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
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> Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
> | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear
> | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack
> | comes along, telepathy won't be "hardcoded" in suga
ng and updating their XO that
participates in the mesh in MIT campus, so I think it is critical to
have cerebro in joyride. Am I wrong?
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aboration stack, not only on tens of XOs, but other
platforms also.
> Let's work with Michail on this as he probably needs to take the lead.
>
> As a first step, I will order 10 laptops for Poly to find permanent
> homes for throughout the MIT campus.
thank you.
>
> K
Quoting "C. Scott Ananian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> While we're talking about networking:
>
> From discussions with the OLSRd guys, one way they made their
> protocols work well in dense networks was to aggressively use *all*
> the 802.11*a* as well as g channels. 802.11a has 24+ non-overlapping
> c
Quoting Michail Bletsas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/08/2008 12:00:30 PM:
>
>> one more (which may be considered a varient of d)
>> i) 802.11s meshing in bad RF environments
>>
>> this is where there are a small number of XO machines (so you don't have
>
>> the 802.11s traff
Wad,
John Watlington wrote:
> I would like to point out that both Marvell and Nortel have mesh testbeds
> (100 and 50 nodes, respectedly).Our problem has been that no-one has
> a collaboration testbed.
A collaboration test is all I did in the past
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Simple_mesh_test
rts of its software (with the exception
of Marco? ;-). I think commitment, communication and roadmaps is the
answer to this problem.
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Hi Wad,
John Watlington wrote:
>
> Poly,
> In theory, your suggestion sounds good. In practice, I think
> it is advanced research winning out over fixing real problems.
Heh as you know, research is usually done based on simulations, not by
deploying such cumbersome, large area networks ;-)
Aaron Kaplan wrote:
>
> On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of escalating collaboration/communication use cases to
>> more realistic scenarios, I 'd like to propose creating the following
>> multihop network testbed.
2) setup and automate software updates over the network.
3) last but not least, get about 10-12 XOs from OLPC ;-)
Comments/additions are most welcome!
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p.org/git?p=users/mstone/telepathy-cerebro;a=tree;hb=HEAD
[3] /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/presence/presenceservice.py
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John Watlington wrote:
> One interesting note is that the suggested routing algorithm for
> 802.11s is a combination of reactive and proactive routing (unlike our
> current one, which is
> solely reactive). Perhaps that provides the adaptation necessary for the mesh
> to work ?
If you refer
Hi Bill,
Bill Mccormick wrote:
> The network manager could be the culprit here, although I thought you
> had it disabled, how did you disable it?
>
chkconfig --del NetworkManager
you'll need to pass the '--add' argument to restore it in rc5.
> When it's running it looks like it first looks o
Quoting Robert Withrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As you may know, but for the others also: Nortel is working to set up
> a 100 node test network of this nature (each node wired through
> switches with some test director automation) in a RF clean
> environment in a Lab in Ottawa and Marcus is one of
(or even better due to lowered speed) reliability
using broadcast frames. Even without the ack scheme, I noticed that, on
average, some 95% of the data transmitted over broadcast are
successfully received on all nodes. We are throwing this away by
discarding it on our wireless interfaces.
Po
me allows sizeable bandwidth savings
(http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/index.php/Experimental_results),
especially in dense wireless networks.
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n for Cerebro yet is because I was heavily
working on many of its protocols, but I think they 've reached a stable
point now (I found no reason to change anything for more than a month
now). This is definitely on the wish-list right now! Help is greatly
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a lot of
> time working with us.
>
Would you like to setup a few use cases that I could put to the test and
explore our limits?
I would like to shift my focus to make Cerebro more activity-friendly
and examine alternative use cases.
Thanks for the feedback
Bill Mccormick wrote:
> Hey Pol,
>
> what format is the data in, is this pcap?
>
yes, it's libpcap. Saved from wireshark. I just tested the file and
successfully loaded in wireshark ;-)
Pol
> The raw capture is here:
>
> http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/capture-1
>
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any rate, thanks for this good work!
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. - When you produce measurements like these, please include links to
> the raw data.
>
The raw capture is here:
http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/capture-1
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;10MB) and consistent CPU usage (83 minutes
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> Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>> I 've been doing experiments on a 50-node testbed (703, Q2D14, 22.p9,
>> simple mesh) and getting all 50 of them to communicate consistently
>> has been hard, even in the absence no sharing or he
we should aim for at some 5 hours of continuous
and stable operation.
We currently do _not_ meet these requirements and from an activity point
of view, the network look like an omelet rather than distinct yoke
and white!!!
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rkManager seems to fix the problem.
Is anyone still maintaining the NetworkManager? It seems to me that the
NetworkManager chooses to restart msh0 sometimes. Is this true? Does it
go so far as to reload the firmware?
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x27; which is an obstacle without visible benefits
to users/developers has no inherent value". Let's try to follow this
rule for a moment: the kernel has 286 bug reports and journal has 232.
Do you suggest abandoning the kernel and substitute with something else
(say "windo
dows box and ask them to
sign up to Facebook so that they can communicate with their friends.
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> Le lundi 21 avril 2008 à 10:24 -0500, James Simmons a écrit :
>
>> 2). Downloading a document is very slow. I distribute View Slides
>> files on an Apache server, using the Browse activity to copy same to the
>> Journal. This takes under a minute even for a larg
efficient multicast mechanism
- simple collaboration mechanism through 'share', 'join', 'leave' functions
- simple programming API based on dbus (see examples)
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cerebro
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David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 12:01 -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> You're not following: Ethernet ports are bytes 12-14 (2 bytes total) on
>> _all_ ethernet frames. IP has nothing to do with this. Instead of
>> looking at the f
David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 11:50 -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> what's possible? why not?
>>
>> David Woodhouse wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 11:43 -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>>>
what's possible? why not?
David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 11:43 -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to associate shared activities with ethernet ports
>> instead of whole multicast addresses? Then we would only need one single
&
f firmware support which numbers of
> addresses? Remember, this driver handles lots of devices, some with
> non-mesh firmware.
>
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Dafydd Harries wrote:
> This is something which was not completely clear to me until I talked to Wad
> about it the other day, and I think other people might find it useful. It
> should probably go on the wiki (assuming it isn't already there somewhere).
> I'd
> like some feedback about where it b
Having received a lot of publicity, the OLPC project is a great
candidate for criticism, sometimes constructive, other times done in the
absence of other serious academic research.
Potentially weak security models in windows is no news, but in OLPC...
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John (J5) Palmieri wrote:
> I can't think of a reason to want a system process invoking methods on a
> user process.
Well, in my case, the system process is the only one having access to
the network and provides network "connections" and events to all user
processes. Sending signals to user proc
John (J5) Palmieri wrote:
> Luckily all mail with DBus in the header gets filtered into a single
> folder ;) Yes spoofing is the answer here (it is sort of like asking
> why can't users create applications that run from /usr/bin though not
> quite exact). If we allowed users to grab names on the
...". Why do we forbid the default user
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>>
>
> Mechanisms to achieve those performance goals are worthy candidates for a
> talk!
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cerebro now offers (in command-line!)
- chat (just type text in the console)
- file transfer (type in console: /sendfile)
- view of network tree layout
- information about all other nodes in the network (nickname, colors,
keys, etc)
Performance (remember that this is a mesh test, no servers wer
http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/images/Cerebro-24-1.olpc2.noarch.rpm
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> In fact the although the requests are every 10min, the icon will hold
> for 30min in total until it is deleted.
> Bug 5501, however, will delete the entry if within the timeframe, a
> new host arrives.
Are you saying that you can have stale icons on screen for a
g suspends that have this problem. It's probably the fact
> that the TTL for all contacts has run out, that is causing avahi to flush the
> peer list. After which it needs to rediscover all of them. Which is a valid
> thing to do, if you've been away
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Like Michail and Ricardo said, going from a paper publication to an
actual implementation and also _testing_ of that implementation is a
very long way. The following factors need to be taken into account when
comparing various approaches to routing and presence in MANETs:
1) scalability: I woul
he driver activate it when it's appropriate.
> Then the decision as to whether the radio is blocked can properly be
> handled in userspace, and the device can be left quiescent if
> appropriate.
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d properly, while the rest are simply put in the
list on the right.
A sugarized version of the UI will follow soon!
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anyone has done/seen a layer-2 ping (from one MAC to the other directly)
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Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
> Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>
>> If there is still interest in the Space activity (layout of tree of
>> neighbors according to distance) entering Joyride, do you need an .xo
>> file or an .rpm?
>&g
If there is still interest in the Space activity (layout of tree of
neighbors according to distance) entering Joyride, do you need an .xo
file or an .rpm?
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Representation of massive numbers of XOs in the network is definitely an
interesting problem. It may be a little early to jump into providing
solutions, but I dealt with the problem recently while working on my
space activity, and space itself can be a scarce resource on screen,
especially if y
Not sure if this is relevant, but maybe someone would like to showcase
the XO there. I may have an hour or so available to spend during that
weekend, so let me know and feel free to forward.
Pol
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Date: Tue, 16 O
Not sure if this is relevant, but maybe someone would like to showcase
the XO there? I may have an hour or two to spare on that weekend, but no
more than that. Please forward freely and let me know.
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heh, I totally agree, but this doesn't mean that there isn't a market
for a book like that (unfortunately!).
Apart from the fact that some people feel "disabled" without a book,
there still is *not* a "user-friendly" introduction on how to use the
laptop (let alone how it works) and I doubt tha
;Xo" signs with
> different colors.
>
> best,
> aaron.
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What platform do you plan to port the driver to?
>>
>> Pol
>>
>> Alex Gibson wrote:
>>&
Hi,
What platform do you plan to port the driver to?
Pol
Alex Gibson wrote:
> To Jim , Walter, Ivan and others
>
> We (UTS) sent a proposal on doing the wireless driver porting to you a
> fortnight ago and
> we are still yet to here from you.
>
> Can you please confirm that you received it or n
Hi Cris,
No it does not rely on any subsystems of the firmware or sugar (other
than getting the XO's color settings). :-)
Pol
Chris Ball wrote:
> Polychronis,
>
>> Announcing "Space", an activity that displays an alternative mesh
>> network neighborhood that offers a sense of space by p
Announcing "Space", an activity that displays an alternative mesh
network neighborhood that offers a sense of space by placing you in the
center and everyone else in the mesh network at a distance proportional
to link quality between you and the node that is being displayed.
http://web.media.mi
I have Ubuntu 7.04 with 2.6.20-16 and want to use the 8388 USB module
with my system. I guess I either need to jump to 2.6.22, or compile the
driver for 2.6.20. I would prefer the second as the upstream version of
the driver does not come with all the features I need. So, do I just get
the driver a
How do I enter the BIOS prompt on q2c25?
It seems I can no longer use ESC tryied other buttons too
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Actually things are not as simple as that.
The first problem is that the table of neighbors in fwt_list_neigh does
not get updated to remove nodes that are no longer reachable, so after a
while you will be left with stale entries and you will either have to
reset the table with fwt_reset, or try
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