Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Walter Bender
To the extent that sugarlabs is going to operate as a true upstream, they need to be cognizant of the fact that OLPC will at times put its goals/process ahead of upstream's goals/process. I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: I am surprised this got heated, you are right, and this isn't even controversial. This

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their way to make sure that the (by far) largest Sugar deployment is successful. Has this been

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 7/7/08, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their way to make sure that the (by far)

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we all agree seems to be the case at present. Here I disagree - small and medium

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we all

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread David Farning
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:37 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream: (a) I believe that we should put OLPC's goals *first*, and endeavor to ensure that we are always