Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-19 Thread J.M. Maurer
> For Firefox, that means (for example) that we can use upstreams > Awesome Bar instead of reimplementing our own url completion. For > abiword, it means acknowledging that a lot of our initial Tubes port > was/is simply unnecessary now that we have a stream-based > collaboration mechanism, and we

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, I agree that this is a goal that makes a lot of sense. >> Unfortunately, my experience says that the approach you are suggesting >> won't

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Gary C Martin
On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:37, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > $0.01: we shouldn't feel like shipping unsugarized apps is a failure: > better an working app w/ crappy UI than no working app at all! Sorry to disagree Scott. I'm not so sure... One 'crappy' UI or weak security riddled activity, leads to a do

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I agree that this is a goal that makes a lot of sense. > Unfortunately, my experience says that the approach you are suggesting > won't be less work than what we are doing right now, because the > software components yo

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lots of reasonable points made on this thread. > > The two cents I'd like to throw in are: > $0.01: we shouldn't feel like shipping unsugarized apps is a failure: > better an working app w/ crappy UI than no working app

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Ryan Pavlik
Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> The abi devs

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> The abi devs have also asked for help in testing Write with non-l

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Lots of reasonable points made on this thread. The two cents I'd like to throw in are: $0.01: we shouldn't feel like shipping unsugarized apps is a failure: better an working app w/ crappy UI than no working app at all! $0.02: my suggestion to "replace" Browse wasn't to eliminate the sugar-speci

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The abi devs have also asked for help in testing Write with non-latin >> scripts, this is something of high importance for OLPC. > > I can do th

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Ryan Pavlik
Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> The abi devs have also asked for help in testing Write with non-latin >> scripts, this is something of high importance for OLPC. >> > > I can do that. OK, Cyrillic works. I just entered e

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The abi devs have also asked for help in testing Write with non-latin > scripts, this is something of high importance for OLPC. I can do that. OK, Cyrillic works. I just entered every key on the layout, upper and lower cas

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Walter Bender
It might be a good longer-term focus to see if we could get some of the Bitfrost ideas pushed upstream rather than diluting them. It has applicability well beyond OLPC and Sugar. -walter On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are suggestions with a longt

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Erik Garrison
These are suggestions with a longterm focus. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:02:04PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > If we cannot bring all the abiword potential to Sugar's Write, we risk > > someone will start asking for running unsugariz

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erik Garrison wrote: > | On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > | Given the quantity of free software available for Linux distributions >

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> If we cannot bring all the abiword potential to Sugar's Write, we risk >> someone will start asking for running unsugarized OpenOffice or >> Abiword on the XO

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison wrote: | On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: | Given the quantity of free software available for Linux distributions | relative to the quantity of available sugarized applications, I believe | that repeats of thi

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-17 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > If we cannot bring all the abiword potential to Sugar's Write, we risk > someone will start asking for running unsugarized OpenOffice or > Abiword on the XO, just as happened with Browse :/ Given the quantity of free software availabl