On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
>>>
>>> If you mean "user files" then the problem is that there is never a
>>> correct heuristic.
>
> Please remember that the only goal that this work MUST ach
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
>> If you mean "user files" then the problem is that there is never a
>> correct heuristic.
Please remember that the only goal that this work MUST achieve is to be
less costly to our deployments and less painful to kids than a FULL
REF
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost
> > half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly e
Perhaps the browser should police transfer size on download and check for
sufficient space before proceeding?
I'm guessing this would eliminate most of the out-of-space conditions
prospectively, though it doesn't remove the need to provide the "get out of
jail" solution that has been the topic of
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost
> half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly encourage the
> user to deal with the issue. It's not the flat out guarantee we need
But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost
half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly encourage the
user to deal with the issue. It's not the flat out guarantee we need to
have, but it's a pretty darn good usable solution for many cases. Mostly,
th
Hi Martin,
> how about removing obvious cache files instead - so we can combine
> this with Erik's? /var/cache has several candidates we know are
> safe (yum dirs) and
> .sugar/default/org.laptop.WebActivity/data/gecko/Cache/
I'm happy to do this *as well*, and should probably also lo
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event
Chris,
how about removing obvious cache files instead - so we can combine
this with Erik's? /var/cache has several candidates we know are safe
(yum dir
On 22 Jul 2008, at 17:03, John Watlington wrote:
>
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting three images right now.
>>>
>>> One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activiti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:05 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the record, I oppose the unionfs solution for the "real fix",
Erik's solution is not the real fix but it is better than cjb's - if
he can get it going soon, even with a dialogue on start up saying
"delete something!
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:38:22PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event
> > that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:05:33PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
> We should distinguish at least three solution spaces:
> a) UY's solution, based on a small patch to 656
> b) A solution to include in 8.2
> c) The "real" solution, in case there are limits to what we can do for 8.2.
>
> cjb's p
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:38, Morgan Collett wrote:
>
> > Another approach of which I vaguely remember discussion, is be
> > deleting activities instead of data. (Except for Browse, and
> > Terminal... so you can possibly get
On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:38, Morgan Collett wrote:
> Another approach of which I vaguely remember discussion, is be
> deleting activities instead of data. (Except for Browse, and
> Terminal... so you can possibly get them back again!)
>
> There would then be a symptom which they would hopefully notic
We should distinguish at least three solution spaces:
a) UY's solution, based on a small patch to 656
b) A solution to include in 8.2
c) The "real" solution, in case there are limits to what we can do for 8.2.
cjb's patch is primarily for (a), with applications to (b) and
*perhaps* as a fail-sa
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:21 AM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Deleting a file from the datastore doesn't delete its entry in the
> index. Resuming a Journal entry with no corresponding file usually
> produces a blank document in the activity being resumed.
This may be easy
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The simplest UI would be a size-sorted view of the journal.
We could do something like this easily without accessing the DS, now
that we have the metadata in json files.
Eben, ideas?
Thanks,
Tomeu
_
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> jim wrote:
>> > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can
>> > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervent
The simplest UI would be a size-sorted view of the journal.
- Jim
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 14:26 -0400, Erik Garrison wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > jim wrote:
> > > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; i
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> jim wrote:
> > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can
> > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that
> > would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes..
On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Jim Gettys wrote:
> Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can
> uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention,
> that
> would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes
>- Jim
A
jim wrote:
> Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can
> uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that
> would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes
i agree that erik's proposal sounds attractive, since we'd have
most or
On Jul 22 2008, at 11:36, Chris Ball was caught saying:
> During this reboot is where we delete some files. I think the
> deployments probably run pretty-boot and don't see text messages,
> so these users won't see anything different at all. If they did
> see text messages during boot, they would
Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can
uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that
would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes
- Jim
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:20 -0400, Erik Garrison wrote:
> On
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:53:37PM -0300, John Watlington wrote:
>
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Chris Ball wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >> Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would
> >> experience if this script was installed?
> >
> > They wouldn't see anything different, but Journ
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting three images right now.
>>
>> One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activities to
>> launch
>> (which since you can't log in on vtty
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm getting three images right now.
>
> One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activities to launch
> (which since you can't log in on vttys kinda locks down the machine).
> But I did notice a large number o
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Chris Ball wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would
>> experience if this script was installed?
>
> They wouldn't see anything different, but Journal entries
> corresponding
> to files we chose to delete wouldn't resume properly
Hi,
It's run at boot, so:
> - I sit down in the morning, start my XO (anything happen here?)
Only if you're already below the disk space threshold.
> - I download some stuff off the internet. I fill my NAND (anything
> happen here?)
No.
> - My XO slows to a crawl so I reboot (anyt
Hi Chris et al,
OK, we're checking how. Hopefully Wad will have some data and I'm trying
to get two 656 XOs in the office filled up so I can see the failure case.
I still don't understand when and how the script is used. Please give me
a little more detail.
e.g.
- I sit down in the morning, st
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since we disagree, maybe best to wait until we have some disk-full
> images back from the field so that we can see what used up all the
> space, before deciding the algorithm.
Yeah, I'm still a bit lost regarding this. Let'
Hi,
> Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would
> experience if this script was installed?
They wouldn't see anything different, but Journal entries corresponding
to files we chose to delete wouldn't resume properly.
> In terms of which files, I think the oldest (or
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event
> that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting
> datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much
>
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> Hi,
>
> Here's a small Python script th
chris wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the
>> students largest file is probably deleting their most important
>> work.
>
> Of course, it should be only a last resort; I tried to make that clear.
> I hope that in 8.2 we'll fix th
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| I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the
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Hi,
> I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the
> students largest file is probably deleting their most important
> work.
Of course, it should be only a last resort; I tried to make that clear.
I hope that in 8.2 we'll fix the problem in general, in a way that
p
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Chris Ball wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event
> that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting
> datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much
> free space is "enough". It c
Hi,
Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event
that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting
datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much
free space is "enough". It could be incorporated into the Python init
process.
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