Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-23 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
We're still grappling with the aftermath of http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10402 XO-1.5s that have been damaged from overheating are being replaced, but we also need a means to prevent others from meeting a similar fate. Our preferred solution is to upgrade to our latest build, which has a fixed po

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-23 Thread Paul Fox
hi sridhar -- i'll take a stab at more detailed answers to all of these questions tomorrow.. powerd was developed initially on machines that had ohmd installed (i think the rpm still tries to uninstall ohmd first) so it's probably not far from working. but it's entirely possible (likely) that som

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread James Cameron
Does ohm wake on lid open? It's been so long ... -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 24 May 2011 14:42, Paul Fox wrote: > hi sridhar -- i'll take a stab at more detailed answers to all of > these questions tomorrow..  powerd was developed initially on machines > that had ohmd installed (i think the rpm still tries to uninstall > ohmd first) so it's probably not far from working

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > There is still a danger of these XOs overheating, so we are looking to > develop a solution that is as painless and quick to deploy as > possible. Is a 'hardware solution' more feasible? ie: find a way to ensure they don't stack the XOs

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 24 May 2011 22:53, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan > wrote: >> There is still a danger of these XOs overheating, so we are looking to >> develop a solution that is as painless and quick to deploy as >> possible. > > Is a 'hardware solution' more fea

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Paul Fox
sridhar wrote: > On 24 May 2011 14:42, Paul Fox wrote: > > hi sridhar -- i'll take a stab at more detailed answers to all of > > these questions tomorrow.. powerd was developed initially on machines > > that had ohmd installed (i think the rpm still tries to uninstall > > ohmd first) so it's

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Paul Fox
sridhar wrote: > We're still grappling with the aftermath of > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10402 > > XO-1.5s that have been damaged from overheating are being replaced, > but we also need a means to prevent others from meeting a similar > fate. > > Our preferred solution is to upgrade t

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > as you've gathered, there are a lot of pieces that make all this > work:  the UI, powerd, the kernel, the firmware.  if you could upgrade > all of the last three, you might be fine, but of course then other > interactions between your user-level a

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Paul Fox
james wrote: > Does ohm wake on lid open? It's been so long ... yes. i think it can't help it, as there's no way to suppress lid-open wakeups on older kernels. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 24 May 2011 23:42, Paul Fox wrote: > i think james cameron has better data, since he did the testing, > but i seem to recall that XO-1 doesn't overheat to the same extent > that you discovered with 1.5.  (unless you have more evidence > in that regard.)  if we were convinced that was true (and

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 25 May 2011 12:45, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > On 24 May 2011 23:42, Paul Fox wrote: >> i think james cameron has better data, since he did the testing, >> but i seem to recall that XO-1 doesn't overheat to the same extent >> that you discovered with 1.5.  (unless you have more evidence >> in

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread Paul Fox
sridhar wrote: > On 25 May 2011 12:45, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > On 24 May 2011 23:42, Paul Fox wrote: > >> i think james cameron has better data, since he did the testing, > >> but i seem to recall that XO-1 doesn't overheat to the same extent > >> that you discovered with 1.5. (unless

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-24 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:37:05PM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > certainly not as serious as with XO-1.5: > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10402#comment:5 > > what's not clear is a) whether this condition can be caused by > lid-switch, and b) whether it can be caused in your charging > racks. from m

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-25 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 05/24/2011 11:37 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > certainly not as serious as with XO-1.5: > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10402#comment:5 > > what's not clear is a) whether this condition can be caused by > lid-switch, and b) whether it can be caused in your charging > racks. from my experience with

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Fox
smith wrote: > On 05/24/2011 11:37 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > > certainly not as serious as with XO-1.5: > > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10402#comment:5 > > > > what's not clear is a) whether this condition can be caused by > > lid-switch, and b) whether it can be caused in your charging

Re: Installing powerd on earlier F11 builds

2011-05-25 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 05/25/2011 01:20 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > Its the other way around. The original problem was reported by people > > using the racks. We just theorized that people who stack them would > > also have a similar problem. > > yes. but quozl's test of xo-1 laptops, as reported in the above