Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-11-17 Thread John Gilmore
The laptop should generally not act differently depending whether there is external power. Too many people seem to be assuming that any form of external power is "AC power" (i.e. a national power grid). In the presence of limited external power, e.g. a car battery, a human powered charger, a sola

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 12:57 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 16:01 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > > When we are suspended, and the battery wakes us up because it is > > "low", > > then: > > For now, graceful shutdown after journal has been notified > > May do hibernat

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 11:46 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 15/08/07, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fpr general comment and discussion, the following is a list of things > > cjb and I think should happen. What are we missing? Other opinions? > > Sorry for getting to the conversatio

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Mike C. Fletcher
Walter Bender wrote: > Lets please be careful not to over-engineer. While Mike makes good > points, we have this wonderful human social network we can depend upon > as well. E.g., If I am downloading something from your machine, I can > ask you to hold on a second until I finish. Let's take advanta

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 16:01 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > When we are suspended, and the battery wakes us up because it is > "low", > then: > For now, graceful shutdown after journal has been notified > May do hibernation if enough flash is available. I guess what we want here is to

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15/08/07, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fpr general comment and discussion, the following is a list of things > cjb and I think should happen. What are we missing? Other opinions? Sorry for getting to the conversation late, it's been a busy week. > Actions that OHM should do: > > o

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Guylhem Aznar
Hello, On 8/17/07, Don Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think just writing the code is a > good antidote to engaging in the arguments in the first place. If the > functionality is straightforward and easy to implement then just do it > rather than argue about it. Hence my suggestion in the

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Don Hopkins
You have to remember that the kids using these machines might not yet know how to read, so just popping up a notice with a paragraph explaining the situation and Yes/No buttons isn't an ideal solution. -Don http://xarg.net/blog/one-entry?entry_id=20005 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Guylhem Aznar
Hello, On 8/17/07, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lets please be careful not to over-engineer. While Mike makes good > points, we have this wonderful human social network we can depend upon > as well. E.g., If I am downloading something from your machine, I can > ask you to hold on a s

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-17 Thread Walter Bender
Lets please be careful not to over-engineer. While Mike makes good points, we have this wonderful human social network we can depend upon as well. E.g., If I am downloading something from your machine, I can ask you to hold on a second until I finish. Let's take advantage of the fact that the kids

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-16 Thread Mike C. Fletcher
Jim Gettys wrote: ... >> There seems to be no way to manually adjust the backlight level in >> ebook mode. What would be the policy for it? Leave it on all the time >> or dim down after some idle time? Also CPU (and wireless?) should go >> to suspend for most of time in ebook mode? >> > > We h

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-16 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 07:23 +0800, Yuan Chao wrote: > > > o On momentary power button: > > turn off screen, suspend machine, leave keyboard and wireless on; > > keyboard/touchpad will cause instant on again. > I'm curious here that I thought the wireless needs CPU to work with. > Why suspend th

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-15 Thread Yuan Chao
On 8/16/07, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fpr general comment and discussion, the following is a list of things > cjb and I think should happen. What are we missing? Other opinions? I'm not an expert here, but I'd like to share some ideas. How about sorting these events into catagories

Re: Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-15 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 04:01:47PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > Fpr general comment and discussion, the following is a list of things > cjb and I think should happen. What are we missing? Other opinions? > > Actions that OHM should do: > > o On momentary power button: > turn off screen, suspend

Power manager specification... (request for comments).

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Gettys
Fpr general comment and discussion, the following is a list of things cjb and I think should happen. What are we missing? Other opinions? Actions that OHM should do: o On momentary power button: turn off screen, suspend machine, leave keyboard and wireless on; keyboard/touchpad will cause ins