Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
mikus wrote: > > > Please - make sure that it takes a multi-second duration of > > > the power button to perform a *complete* shutdown. > > > > no, definitely not. training users to hold down power buttons > > is/was a huge mistake, since getting in the habit is a little > > like parking

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> > Please - make sure that it takes a multi-second duration of > > the power button to perform a *complete* shutdown. > > no, definitely not. training users to hold down power buttons > is/was a huge mistake, since getting in the habit is a little > like parking your car by letting it hit the

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
hi mikus -- mikus wrote: > > what do you think? 'a' or 'b'? > > As long as the possibility exists to manually edit a configuration file, > I myself will change the sleep behavior to be like 'before'. yes, the new scheme ('b') is configurable. > > I do not care whether it takes a keystro

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> what do you think? 'a' or 'b'? As long as the possibility exists to manually edit a configuration file, I myself will change the sleep behavior to be like 'before'. I do not care whether it takes a keystroke, or pushing the CPU button, to wake from 'sleeping' -- I'll learn through experience.

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Why will the screen blank? Why not just deactivate the > backlight? Is the DCON's power draw sufficiently high that > blanking the screen represents real savings? Yes, it's >100mw, AFAIK. - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child ___

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 03/23/10 15:16, Paul Fox wrote: > are you comfortable having two > laptop states: > - dark screen wakeable from keyboard > - dark screen _not_ wakeable from keyboard > that are visually indistinguishable? by the way, if you have entered "dark screen wakeable from key

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Paul Fox wrote: > now: > in the new scheme, the idle sequence has changed: after a > fairly brief period of inactivity, the system will suspend, > leaving the screen on. (the user may not even know this has > happened.) assuming there is still no keyboard activity, a > little

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Paul Fox
isaac wrote: > On 03/23/10 15:16, Paul Fox wrote: > > are you comfortable having two > > laptop states: > > - dark screen wakeable from keyboard > > - dark screen _not_ wakeable from keyboard > > that are visually indistinguishable? > > by the way, if you have e

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread James Cameron
b. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Hal Murray
> We could also consider just having the touchpad be available for > wake-from-idle-sleep, and not the keyboard, since that way you wouldn't have > any side effects from the wakeup key. But I think having the side effects > isn't a big deal, so I'd go with your proposed (b). I've gotten into th

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > further, if you choose 'a': are you comfortable having two I think this is "if you choose 'b'". > laptop states: - dark screen wakeable from keyboard - dark screen > _not_ wakeable from keyboard that are visually indistinguishable? > is it worth adding yet another LED blink

RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Paul Fox
recent releases of XO-1.5 (and also of F11-on-XO1, if we can ever get suspend/resume working properly again) have a new default behavior with regard to idle suspend. i'm soliciting opinions on how to fine-tune this new behavior. before: in the past on XO-1, the screen would dim, and after a