Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-27 Thread NoiseEHC
Actually, I would argue that an operating system that doesn't natively host its development tools is not appropriate for OLPC's target audience. Self hosting is not an absolute requirement. You just have traded an existing, usable developer environment (like Eclipse) for the possibility of

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread John Gilmore
What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel patches as GPLv2[1], although there have been some proprietary apps and customizations on top. I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd seen the

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread NoiseEHC
I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd seen the news stories about Google cease-and-desists to the guys making improved free versions. Is a useful fully-free version readily available, as a practical option? The guy bundled the not free Google

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve O RLY? inline: orly_owl.jpeg - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread Stanley Sokolow
I'm with Bert. What problems has Android solved that Sugar was created to solve, in your opinion? On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread John Watlington
On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:59 AM, NoiseEHC wrote: ... debug. You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has been created to solve just it is faster, uses less memory, much prettier, has an usable developer environment... Actually, I would argue that an operating system that

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread NoiseEHC
What: Sugar / Android What is the same: Application complexity: Simple (Activities) / Simple (Activities) Data storage: Ditch filesystem (central Journal) / Ditch filesystem (app specific SQLite storage) UI: Simple (ugly) / Simple (cool) Computer experience of target audience: Low (children)

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-23 Thread John Gilmore
We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. Looks like Notion Ink has already done so, sort of: http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-tegra-android-smartpad-uses-pixel-qi-display-1866308/ The OS is proprietary (android), it would

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-23 Thread Seth Woodworth
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: The OS is proprietary (android), it would probably fail it you dropped it in a puddle and it has too many radios... What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with