Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-08 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/4/8 John Gilmore : > Since OLPC's "upstream" is both Linus's kernel releases, and Fedora's > distributions, there are two upstream places to push OLPC's hardware > support patches to.  Have we only been trying to get them into one of > those places (Linus's)? > > The F11 kernel currently carri

Re: move to rawhide update (Fedora QA breakage)

2009-04-08 Thread Peter Robinson
> Now I see what's going on.  Clueless people are crashing around in the > bug database, "helping" developers by hassling users.  Then if you > don't answer the idiots, 30 days later they close out your bug report > as "CLOSED:INSUFFICIENT_DATA".  Instead of a bridge, they seem to be > more of a ba

Re: move to rawhide update (Fedora QA breakage)

2009-04-08 Thread John Gilmore
> II. - What for me is an inhibitor is the bugzilla section "tell us > how to reproduce the problem". I have no desire whatsoever to try Mikus unfortunately plays a troll on the Internet. He probably isn't one in real life, but the way he uses the XO is extremely unusual, so he views the XO

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-08 Thread John Gilmore
>> But now, it appears that F11 won't be able to suspend on OLPC, >> which makes it almost useless for laptop use (as opposed to >> developer use when the laptop is sitting on a desk with permanent >> AC power). > > Sure, but you can install a different kernel on your F11 image, su

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 05:17:09PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >  Why don't the SoaS/~cjb distributions contain the latest rawhide packages ? > > Because rawhide is a daily moving development target. Aren't you both right? The builds contain the latest rawhide packages as of the image creatio

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Kevin Sonney
Given everything discussed so far, is it worth considering an F11-OLPC branch, with the intent of merging with F12? -- Kevin Sonney -- ke...@sonney.com “Around here, however, we don’t look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity ke

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > So is that trying to get them into 2.6.30? Yes, that would be ideal. - Chris. -- Chris Ball ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Chris, >   > It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to >   > get maintainers of half a dozen packages to adopt patches that let >   > them deal with Rainbow. > > Yes, we aren't using rainbow in the F11 builds. > >   > Some of the initscript changes related to the bizar

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Paul, >  > Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are >  > required to fight through the problems.  If the community cares enough and >  > develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward.  But it's >  > never easy. >  > >  > It is my hope that people continu

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Chris Ball
Hi John, > It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to > get maintainers of half a dozen packages to adopt patches that let > them deal with Rainbow. Yes, we aren't using rainbow in the F11 builds. > Some of the initscript changes related to the bizarre idea o

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread pgf
john wrote: > It looks like perhaps the kernel changes have slipped right through > the F11 schedule. Is it seriously likely that the F11 kernel for the record, this was a conscious decision. everyone knew there wouldn't be time to get XO-specific changes upstream, and back to fedora, before F

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread John Gilmore
> The main and probably most major issues outstanding are the > kernel/boot process - so > kernel/initscripts/olpcrd/initscripts/upstart/rainbow collection of > stuff of which I have no real idea about. Updates? It's pretty trivial to disable Rainbow, whereas it's not trivial to get maintainer

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, p...@laptop.org wrote: > peter, and greg -- > > greg wrote: > > Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are > > required to fight through the problems. If the community cares enough and > > develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread pgf
peter, and greg -- greg wrote: > Whichever way you go, strong leadership, patience, and many hands are > required to fight through the problems. If the community cares enough and > develops the necessary leadership, the project moves forward. But it's > never easy. > > It is my hope th

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
>  > >  II. - What for me is an inhibitor is the bugzilla section "tell us how > to >  > > reproduce the problem".  I have no desire whatsoever to try to describe > how >  > > to obtain the Fluendo mp3 codec for an XO, nor how to follow its >  > > instructions for seeing if it works.  I have even

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, p...@laptop.org wrote: > as mikus said, his applications all worked before. this is a > regression, plain an simple, *with respect to the previous XO releases*. > now, to the extent that fedora doesn't really care about any specific > piece of hardware, especially one whic

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread pgf
peter wrote: > >  II. - What for me is an inhibitor is the bugzilla section "tell us how to > > reproduce the problem".  I have no desire whatsoever to try to describe how > > to obtain the Fluendo mp3 codec for an XO, nor how to follow its > > instructions for seeing if it works.  I have even

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
>> Are there bugzilla reports for these? > >  I. - I haven't figured out how to do an exhaustive search on bugzilla. >  'OLPC' picks up some; 'XO' picks up some; '461806' picks up some.  But let > me emphasize once again - bugzilla appears to be aimed at the problems of > developers (and isn't opti

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
>> If we are talking about 9.1.0, it would be nice if 'sound' and >> 'moving pictures' worked in F-11 on the XO. Currently they don't. > > Are there bugzilla reports for these? I. - I haven't figured out how to do an exhaustive search on bugzilla. 'OLPC' picks up some; 'XO' picks up some;

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
>> >  Why don't the SoaS/~cjb distributions contain the latest rawhide packages >> > ? >> >> Because rawhide is a daily moving development target. > > Aren't you both right?  The builds contain the latest rawhide packages > as of the image creation date, right?  Thus if it's no longer the > instan

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
>  My biggest current question is:  When on my XO I enter 'yum check-update' > (using either the latest SoaS2 .iso or the latest ~cjb/rawhide-xo .img), it > tells me that there are more than 220 packages at the rawhide repositories > that are at a more recent version level than those provided by th

Re: move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> I thought now that we're getting closer to the Fedora 11 freeze it > would be a good time for everyone to where they're at as we move > towards F-11/9.1.0/olpc-next. My biggest current question is: When on my XO I enter 'yum check-update' (using either the latest SoaS2 .iso or the latest ~

move to rawhide update

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, I thought now that we're getting closer to the Fedora 11 freeze it would be a good time for everyone to where they're at as we move towards F-11/9.1.0/olpc-next. I've been keeping the wiki page up to date as I go along and filling in more details as I find out about them. The fixed list i