Re: [BULK] Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-29 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 10/28/2011 10:10 PM, Hal Murray wrote: I haven't carefully checked the accuracy of my Kill-a-Watt, but it's passed all my sanity checks. At $20, it's a useful tool. (The technology for this sort of thing must be reasonably solid. My new electric meter has an LCD rather than a spinning whee

Re: [BULK] Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-28 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 10/27/2011 11:45 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: In this specific case the question was about human power so its reasonable to assume that the setup would use a direct DC input. Otherwise you are losing 30% or more of your power in conversion losses. The number I use for the DC input is 25 watt-

Re: [BULK] Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-28 Thread DJ Delorie
> Good point. Thanks. It's even worse than that. In the power mode, the > Kill-a-Watt only shows whole watts, no fraction. It's worse than that. IIRC mine only shows 6, 12, or 18 watts at that low a value. Useless for really low power. I ended up using a test board for a switching power su

Re: [BULK] Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-28 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@laptop.org said: > Speaking from experience measuring the power draw of a single XO with these > low cost power meters is tricky. They can be very inaccurate at lower > power measurements. The kill-a-watt for example has a typical accuracy of > 1% with a max of 4%. Full scale is 1800

Re: [BULK] Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 10/27/2011 11:45 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: Is the XO running or powered off? Is it for a XO-1.5 or XO-1.5? Oops. XO-1 or XO-1.5 -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/li

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Sameer Verma
arge for just 12 minutes to get > the same 2 hours of use.  as noted below, we hope for 1.75 to be much > better (but probably still not 10 to 1). > > paul > > >  > >  > >  > From: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com >  > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:29:19 -0400 >

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Wow! De ja vu! I think I asked some of the exact same questions ages ago here and have been discussing the exact same harvesting methods with friends when hanging out:) I think the biggest problem about these are currently cost and fragility/durability. The recess/lunch/playtime thing and strappi

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Paul Fox
o be much better (but probably still not 10 to 1). paul > > > From: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:29:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: harvesting energy > To: tony_ander...@usa.net > CC: devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > On Thu, Oct 2

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> Due to our battery-management system, it is impossible to charge an > XO laptop in less than about 110 minutes. Are humans better at shorter bursts of higher power? Perhaps a human-powered charging system would benefit from some intermediary storage, either electrical or mechanical - supercaps

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Ed McNierney
gt;> devel-ow...@lists.laptop.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Devel digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: harvesting energy (Chris Leonard)

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Chris Leonard
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Has anyone estimated the work required to charge an XO? Mike Lee gave a > demo some time back at the Washington D.C. Learner's Club which seemed to > show that it would be a difficult workload for an adult athlete to charge a > laptop. > > To

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Tony Anderson
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Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Chris Leonard
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Kristen Eisenberg < kristen.eisenb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > If we're talking about kids powering their own devices, I think the > way to go is to turn "work" into play. The merry go round/hard bar > swing would fit in this category. > > So basically, let's look at ac

Re: harvesting energy

2011-10-27 Thread Alan Eliasen
On 10/27/2011 05:23 AM, Kristen Eisenberg wrote: If we're talking about kids powering their own devices, I think the way to go is to turn "work" into play. The merry go round/hard bar swing would fit in this category. So basically, let's look at activities where energy exerted is ambient anyway?

re: harvesting energy

2011-02-01 Thread Carlos Nazareno
If we're talking about kids powering their own devices, I think the way to go is to turn "work" into play. The merry go round/hard bar swing would fit in this category. So basically, let's look at activities where energy exerted is ambient anyway? What I mean is that the energy is being used up by