Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-31 Thread Joost Ruis
Ok a short follow up on this matter here. Thus far I merged systemd, recompiled NetworkManager and dbus with USE="systemd" and wrote a service file for lightdm (attached) enabled them all and added sshd to it as well. I didn't notice any diff at first. Then I decided to use a stopwatch to measure

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-29 Thread Joost Ruis
I don't think it is possible (yet) to offer both through the repositories. I'm preparing the repos so that I at least can more easily test/play with it (using Portage on my local system) First step is to migrate to sys-apps/kmod and latest udev. I'm not interested about politics, just want to see

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-29 Thread Steven Cristian
Sincerely, the only issue that nowadays systemd solves is faster boot speed, as I see it. But my point was: if systemd really solves *other* issues than speed, then so be it, introduce it, but for now, I didn't see any real need for systemd. My point :) But there is another solution on this, keep b

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-29 Thread Mohan R
On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 15:37 -0500, wolfden wrote: > I personally feel it is too early yet, no need to rush to such a > thing. I don't see an advantage to it either. It seems I missed the history of udev+systemd merge. So, udev got f**ked-up and this one-solution-for-all systemd is a mess. Well,

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-29 Thread SndChaser
Well, two parts to your statement: 1) "If it's needed..." Is it needed? Has anyone defined a specific issue that systemd specifically solves? My reading of Lennart's offerings typically show that they are items designed to address things that aren't well defined issues. Basically they tend

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-28 Thread wolfden
Mohan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/259045 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-934678-highlight-.html Many people are not fans of Lennart so it's not an easy topic to discuss without flame suits. I personally feel it is too early yet, no need to rush to such a thing. I do

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-28 Thread Steven Cristian
If it's needed... we cannot do anything against, I guess :-? On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:37 PM, wolfden wrote: > > Mohan: > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/259045 > > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-934678-highlight-.html > > > Many people are not fans of Lennart so it's no

[sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-28 Thread Mohan R
Hi, Is there any effort going on to bring systemd into sabayon or gentoo? I love to see systemd take over openRC in the future. If possible I'm willing to give my hands to that effort. If systemd conflicts with sabayon's policy, then please forgive me for asking this question. Thanks, Mohan R

Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon

2012-08-28 Thread Fabio Erculiani
Hi, while I don't like the current direction that the whole Lennax (no offense) bandwagon is taking, I've always been open to new technologies, and systemd is no exception. We have just started to migrate to latest udev and kmod (which replaces module-init-tools) but we have a long way to go and we