Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > The Beagle Bone Black guys make a case for their board, which is also > HAT campatible. I've never tried one. I don't think it's HAT-compatible. Power and ground lines look similar but not identical. TX/RX are in the wrong places and the BB has two pairs rather than one --

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:59:59 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Hm, that's cheaper than the Adafruit HAT unsoldered. I feel a > revision coming on. The list will get longer. > > Or argue with the guy mentioned above shipping it preassembled. > > Who's in Taiwan, I'm guessing, and ex

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Dan! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:25:52 -0500 "Dan Poirot" wrote: > Wait... So is GEM going to put together a more-better shopping list??? I'm pretty much in agreement with Hal on his shopping list. Some like the Odroid better because it does not have the binary blobs needed for the Pi, but other

RE: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Dan Poirot
Wait... So is GEM going to put together a more-better shopping list??? ...I am digging the way retro antenna! - dan -Original Message- From: devel [mailto:devel-boun...@ntpsec.org] On Behalf Of Gary E. Miller Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:38 PM To: Eric S. Raymond Cc: devel@ntpsec.or

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > And how many YEARS to get there? Plus you needed to buy a soldering iron, > solder, flux, solder sucker, etc. Nah, I just borrowed Phil's. :-) > Here is a nice HAT presoldered, $31: > > http://www.dx.com/p/add-on-gps-module-gps-hat-module-for-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-b-424254 >

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:03:39 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Unless called out here I just merged your changes, > > Gary E. Miller : > > Don't do it! How long did it take to get you to solder??? > > Once I decided to learn it, all of about 15 minutes from a cold start. And how ma

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Unless called out here I just merged your changes, Gary E. Miller : > Don't do it! How long did it take to get you to solder??? Once I decided to learn it, all of about 15 minutes from a cold start. My instructor allows how I got *good* at it quickly, too; I thank my Swiss-German clockmaker ance

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Hal Murray
dtpoi...@gmail.com said: > I WANT THIS! > Warming up the credit card... My list: $39.95 Pi-3 https://www.adafruit.com/products/3055 $7.95 5V 2.4A Power supply https://www.adafruit.com/products/1995 $7.95 Pi-3 Case https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258 $19.95 MicroSD 1

Re: Penguicon NTPsec F2F, etherpad, roll call, time, room

2016-04-26 Thread Jason Azze
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > This may be a time to evangelize the converted, I'd say anyone that can > spell NTPSec with proper capitalization, and without looking it up shoud > be invited. Last week I replied off list to Mark's original message to ask if it would be

Re: Penguicon NTPsec F2F, etherpad, roll call, time, room

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:22:53 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > There are some other NTP-savvy friends of the project from ICEI who > will be at Penguicon. Jason Azze leaps to mind. I haven't invited > him in order to keep the meeting small, but there's a case for it. This may be a time

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! My comments inline. On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:50:41 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > with RasPi :keywords: Raspberry Pi, odroid, NTP, NTPsec, time service ^^^ Odroid > Beginner-level light soldering is required. Don't do it! How long did it tak

RE: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Dan Poirot
I WANT THIS! Warming up the credit card... - dan -Original Message- From: devel [mailto:devel-boun...@ntpsec.org] On Behalf Of Eric S. Raymond Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:00 AM To: Mark Atwood Cc: devel@ntpsec.org Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress Mark Atwood : > Thank you

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Mark Atwood : > Thank you Eric. > > Is this document in Git somewhere? Yes, on the Great Beast. Not public yet - I'll throw it on GitLab or somewhere when we get to 1.0. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ devel mailing

Re: bring hardcopy of your GPG fingerprint to NTPsec F2F

2016-04-26 Thread Mark Atwood
gpg --fingerprint On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:50 AM Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Mark Atwood : > > If you are going to be at Penguicon, and if you have a GPG key, please > > bring a hardcopy printout of your key id and fingerprint. I'm going to > > have mine on a personal business card. > > I don't

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Mark Atwood
Thank you Eric. Is this document in Git somewhere? ..m On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM Eric S. Raymond wrote: > This is turning into quite an epic. But it'll be an extremely useful epic. > > Mark, I'm taking very seriously your plan to broadcast this to makerspaces > - > reorienting the text

Re: bring hardcopy of your GPG fingerprint to NTPsec F2F

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Mark Atwood : > If you are going to be at Penguicon, and if you have a GPG key, please > bring a hardcopy printout of your key id and fingerprint. I'm going to > have mine on a personal business card. I don't do this often enough to remember. What GPG command should I use to dump exactly this? --

bring hardcopy of your GPG fingerprint to NTPsec F2F

2016-04-26 Thread Mark Atwood
Hi! If you are going to be at Penguicon, and if you have a GPG key, please bring a hardcopy printout of your key id and fingerprint. I'm going to have mine on a personal business card. I'm not a big believer in those big all-to-all formalized keysigning parties, as they tend to result in people

Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
This is turning into quite an epic. But it'll be an extremely useful epic. Mark, I'm taking very seriously your plan to broadcast this to makerspaces - reorienting the text and vocabulary to people who aren't hard-core Linux experts. Also the parts list is more explicit. Draft 0.3 enclosed, beca

Re: Penguicon NTPsec F2F, etherpad, roll call, time, room

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Mark Atwood : > I look forward to meeting everyone at Penguicon and at the NTPsec F2F > > It looks like the time will be 1pm Sunday afternoon until we run out topics > or people. > > Eric, did programming@ get back to you about a room? Yes, they did. This arrived just before I was about to emai

Re: Penguicon NTPsec F2F, etherpad, roll call, time, room

2016-04-26 Thread Mark Atwood
I look forward to meeting everyone at Penguicon and at the NTPsec F2F It looks like the time will be 1pm Sunday afternoon until we run out topics or people. Eric, did programming@ get back to you about a room? ..m On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:32 PM Mark Atwood wrote: > Hi! > > I have created a