Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Mark Atwood : > > What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard install > > Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font renderer, > or a font pack onto a ssh & text console -only host gets a veto from me. Reasonable point. I'll

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:58:33 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > I've forgotten. What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in > > the standard install? > > 1) General clutter for the 99% who won't use it. Yes. > 2) It drags in a

Re: ✘ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > Yo Mark! > > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:25:28 + > Mark Atwood wrote: > > > Call it "therm" or "thermal" then, instead of "heat" or "temperature"? > > I can live with ntplogtherm I like the way you guys are thinking. --

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Hal Murray
e...@thyrsus.com said: > I've forgotten. What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the > standard install? 1) General clutter for the 99% who won't use it. 2) It drags in a big pile of stuff, starting with gnuplot. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Mark Atwood
> What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard install Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font renderer, or a font pack onto a ssh & text console -only host gets a veto from me. ..m On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM Eric S. Raymond

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:13:54 -0500 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > > We need to figure out how to handle ntpviz and friends. I think it > > should NOT be part of the standard install set. At a minimum, > > there should be an easy way to skip it during install. > >

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > As long as they don't get installed, I don't think the ntp prefix is > important. Nevertheless, I think we should maintain namespace discipline even for the uninstalled stuff. It's not always easy to predict what will *remain* uninstalled. >A hyphen after

Re: ✘ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Mark Atwood
My own preference would be ntploggps ntplogheat ntpmakeheat eg. {prefix}{verb}{thenoun} "temp" is too overloaded as "temporary". Short is not needed, the day of 15 character filenames and typing over a 110bps ASR33 with 500ms of lag are far in the distant past. But that's just a preference of

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:01:35 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > >>gps-log -> ntpgpslog > >> temp-log -> ntptemplog > >> makeheat -> ntpmakeheat > > > That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter if I could, but don't see > > any obvious way to do that

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Hal Murray
>> gps-log -> ntpgpslog >> temp-log -> ntptemplog >> makeheat -> ntpmakeheat > That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter if I could, but don't see any > obvious way to do that that wouldn't reduce them to garble. Those names aren't going to be typed by hand very often so I

Re: ✘ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > Yo All! > > Eric wants all ntp programs to start with 'ntp' and not have hypens. > > So, how about: > > gps-log -> ntpgpslog > temp-log -> ntptemplog > makeheat -> ntpmakeheat > > Suggestions? That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter

✘ntpclient names

2017-02-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo All! Eric wants all ntp programs to start with 'ntp' and not have hypens. So, how about: gps-log -> ntpgpslog temp-log -> ntptemplog makeheat -> ntpmakeheat Suggestions? RGDS GARY --- Gary E.

Fw: [Git][NTPsec/ntpsec][master] Address GitLab issue #247: Extra precision for avgint field...

2017-02-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! I object to this. We need better float formatting, not worse. Let NTPClassic keep their bugs to themselves. Commits: 253de053 by Eric S. Raymond at 2017-02-21T11:04:54-05:00 Address GitLab issue #247: Extra precision for avgint field... =