Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-22 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Royce! On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:50:39 -0900 Royce Williams wrote: > > Nothing we do says an admin can't "rm /usr/bin/XXX". I often have > > that in my build scripts. No need to clutter the build options for > > that. > > Bespoke downstream file removal has its place --

Re: Information lost when switching to buildprep

2017-02-22 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:26:54 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > Gary said: > >> 2) It drags in a big pile of stuff, starting with gnuplot. > > No. > > At least one of us is confused. > > buildprep installs gnuplot unconditionally. Perhaps you mean that it >

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-22 Thread Hal Murray
g...@rellim.com said: > I'm unaware of anything in NTPsec that does things behind anyone's back. >> Does it start a server? Does it run a cron job? Does it install >> hooks that some code I do need might call? > Now I'm really lost. I'm unaware of anything in NTPsec does any of that >

Information lost when switching to buildprep

2017-02-22 Thread Hal Murray
Gary said: >> 2) It drags in a big pile of stuff, starting with gnuplot. > No. At least one of us is confused. buildprep installs gnuplot unconditionally. Perhaps you mean that it doesn't need to do that. But currently it does. What does ntpviz do without gnuplot and/or why would I want to

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-22 Thread Royce Williams
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Achim! > > On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100 > Achim Gratz wrote: > > > Gary E. Miller writes: > > > Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-tools package or option. Many > > > distros has a X

Re: ntpclient names

2017-02-22 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-tools package or option. Many > > distros has a X package and a matching X-tools package. We could > > make that easy with a build option. > > >

Re: ntpsec | Extra precision for avgint field in ntpmon (#247)

2017-02-22 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 04:09:13 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > We (at least I) want the extra precision so we can tell how bad > abusive clients are. I sent something saying that, but it didn't > make it to the issue tracker. +1 RGDS GARY

Re: l_fp access macros (was: DCF77 driver seems to be broken)

2017-02-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Achim Gratz : > Just out of curiosity, why have you defined the l_fp access macros in > such an overly redundant manner? I realize that the compiler will > optimize most of that away, but it seems odd to do that in the first > place unless you're expecting to support a platform

l_fp access macros (was: DCF77 driver seems to be broken)

2017-02-22 Thread Achim Gratz
Just out of curiosity, why have you defined the l_fp access macros in such an overly redundant manner? I realize that the compiler will optimize most of that away, but it seems odd to do that in the first place unless you're expecting to support a platform that has a non-conforming compiler that

Re: DCF77 driver seems to be broken

2017-02-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Achim Gratz : > Achim Gratz writes: > […] > > Just out of curiosity, why have you defined the lfp access macros in > > such an overly redundant manner? > […] > > The lack of responses makes me wonder if it was a bad idea to tuck that > section after the patch… any insights?

Re: DCF77 driver seems to be broken

2017-02-22 Thread Achim Gratz
Achim Gratz writes: […] > Just out of curiosity, why have you defined the lfp access macros in > such an overly redundant manner? […] The lack of responses makes me wonder if it was a bad idea to tuck that section after the patch… any insights? :-) Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12

Need moar blog content!

2017-02-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
I just published "TESTFRAME: The epic failure" on the NTPsec blog. I have only one entry left in my queue, on our documentation practice. So far I've written about 75% of the content. I'd like the blog not to be mostly the ESR show. This means it's time for others to step up. --

Re: ntpsec | Extra precision for avgint field in ntpmon (#247)

2017-02-22 Thread Hal Murray
I can't figure out what's going on. I claim the issue was bogus. The code as it was before your change was correct. We (at least I) want the extra precision so we can tell how bad abusive clients are. I sent something saying that, but it didn't make it to the issue tracker.