Re: Blue-sky thread - ideas for well after 1.0

2017-08-26 Thread Daniel Franke via devel
On 8/26/17, Hal Murray wrote: > Is there a good high-level writeup of NTS? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-09#section-1.2 > Why encrypt stuff? (as compared to verify) NTS authenticates everything and encrypts as much as possible without breaking backward compatibi

Re: Blue-sky thread - ideas for well after 1.0

2017-08-26 Thread Hal Murray via devel
devel@ntpsec.org said: > 4. Make NTS mandatory. In the NTPv5 packet format, the version, mode, NTS > unique identifier, and (in client packets) NTS cookie come first in > plaintext, then the whole rest of the packet is encrypted. Is there a good high-level writeup of NTS? Why encrypt stuff? (a

Re: Blue-sky thread - ideas for well after 1.0

2017-08-26 Thread Hal Murray via devel
You didn't say anything about anti-forgery. In the long range, I think we will need a trusted organization to run and manage enough servers to support the load, something along the lines of the current DNS setup. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___

Re: State of Mac OS support

2017-08-26 Thread Daniele Nicolodi via devel
On 26/08/17 10:19, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Daniele Nicolodi via devel : >> I was only observing that the website needs to be updated to reflect >> reality. At the moment it says that MacOS is supported, without any >> version specifier. > > I've pushed an update. There must be a markup error, th

Re: Recently introduced build error

2017-08-26 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> See if it's e92a112b8. It works after: git checkout 98ed7cc3dbd9650168b10cf5bb3bc156c92a5476 -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Recently introduced build error

2017-08-26 Thread Fred Wright via devel
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Hal Murray via devel wrote: > [ 63/113] Compiling libntp/msyslog.c > In file included from /usr/include/python2.7/pyconfig.h:6:0, > from /usr/include/python2.7/Python.h:8, > from ../../libntp/pymodule.c:7: > /usr/include/python2.7/pyconfig-64

Recently introduced build error

2017-08-26 Thread Hal Murray via devel
[ 63/113] Compiling libntp/msyslog.c In file included from /usr/include/python2.7/pyconfig.h:6:0, from /usr/include/python2.7/Python.h:8, from ../../libntp/pymodule.c:7: /usr/include/python2.7/pyconfig-64.h:1199:0: warning: "_POSIX_C_SOURCE" redefined #define _PO

Re: State of Mac OS support

2017-08-26 Thread Fred Wright via devel
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > There have been inquiries from Daniele Nicolodi and Fred Wright about > Mac OS X support. Actually, mine wasn't an inquiry, it was an answer. :-) > Mark Atwood, who's our strategy/product-management/external-relations > specialist, may ove

Re: Blue-sky thread - ideas for well after 1.0

2017-08-26 Thread Daniel Franke via devel
There aren't many deficiencies in NTPv4 which can't be fixed by adding extension fields. A change big enough to make a version bump worthwhile would incorporate at least most of the following: 1. Drop everything other than client/server mode. Replace mode 6 with something that runs over HTTPS on t

Blue-sky thread - ideas for well after 1.0

2017-08-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Because we've done our work well, we're on what looks like an easy glide path to a 1.0 release in September. There are no more issues that look like blockers rather than irritations; if forced to it, we could ship tomorrow. I believe we've earned the luxury of some blue-sky thinking. I'm not tal

Re: State of Mac OS support

2017-08-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Daniele Nicolodi via devel : > I was only observing that the website needs to be updated to reflect > reality. At the moment it says that MacOS is supported, without any > version specifier. I've pushed an update. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond Please consider con

Re: State of Mac OS support

2017-08-26 Thread Daniele Nicolodi via devel
On 26/08/17 07:58, Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > There have been inquiries from Daniele Nicolodi and Fred Wright about > Mac OS X support. [...] > We're supporting 10.12, which has the POSIX clock calls. Earlier > versions can go piss up a rope. I was only observing that the website needs

State of Mac OS support

2017-08-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
There have been inquiries from Daniele Nicolodi and Fred Wright about Mac OS X support. Mark Atwood, who's our strategy/product-management/external-relations specialist, may override me on this. Unless and until he does, here's the skinny: We're supporting 10.12, which has the POSIX clock call

Catching up omn unfixed bugs

2017-08-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
I've been distracted the last couple of days by trying to spin up another ICEI project that's on a tight deadline. It seems I missed replying on a couple of threads. This is my attempt to carch up. Hal Murray: >How important is supporting gpsd on systems without SHM? Realistically, not very. W