Re: Bite of the Buildbugs!

2017-12-10 Thread Ian Bruene via devel
On 12/10/2017 10:52 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Ugly, but simple. I'd like to hear counterargument from Gary and Fred before we make a final decision. Keep it succint, guys. Agreed. My main concern is that trying to be clever here has many ways to go wrong, and few ways to detect them before

Installing man/html pages

2017-12-10 Thread Hal Murray via devel
Are we installing man pages in the right place? Do distros agree on where to install them? Does anybody who wants man pages also want html versions? Do we have anything in one format that isn't in the other? Do we want an install option to install only man pages? The idea is to help package

Re: Bite of the Buildbugs!

2017-12-10 Thread Fred Wright via devel
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > Ian Bruene via devel : > > After reading over the discussion regarding the recent /issues/, I have come > > to a side: Revert Fred's fix and throughly document the import breakage. > > Ugly, but simple. I'd like to hear counterargument from

Re: Alternatives to waf

2017-12-10 Thread Richard Laager via devel
On 12/09/2017 09:14 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > What are the alternatives? Are there any good ones? This is one of those areas where it is easy to (legitimately) criticize, but hard to find a correct answer. I'm a (largely inactive) developer on Pidgin. Over the years, we've seen a number of proposa

Re: Bite of the Buildbugs!

2017-12-10 Thread Eric S. Raymond via devel
Ian Bruene via devel : > After reading over the discussion regarding the recent /issues/, I have come > to a side: Revert Fred's fix and throughly document the import breakage. Ugly, but simple. I'd like to hear counterargument from Gary and Fred before we make a final decision. Keep it succint,

Bite of the Buildbugs!

2017-12-10 Thread Ian Bruene via devel
After reading over the discussion regarding the recent /issues/, I have come to a side: Revert Fred's fix and throughly document the import breakage. Reasoning: The standard method means that on some systems the ntp module can't be seen by python without modifying PYTHONPATH. The fix resu

Re: Alternatives to waf

2017-12-10 Thread Achim Gratz via devel
Hal Murray via devel writes: > Richard Laager said: >> While I agree that waf is obscure (and accordingly wish ntpsec used >> something else), it seems to do the right thing out of the box. > > What are the alternatives? Are there any good ones? Well, everybody agrees they hate autoconf, yet it'