Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Frank! On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 14:23:19 -0400 Frank Nicholas wrote: > > On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > > > Attached is a phot of the mess. You can also see the heat sink I > > added to the CPU. > > I put a couple of heatsinks on some of my Pi’s, (the one outside, > etc

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 03:09:04 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > And what do you call a 'real' meter? > > Something that is likely to be accurate. It will cost more than $5. > > I have a Fluke 112. I guess you didn't know I used to work at Fluke. :-) Yes, real quality stuff, espeially if

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Frank Nicholas
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Attached is a phot of the mess. You can also see the heat sink I added > to the CPU. I put a couple of heatsinks on some of my Pi’s, (the one outside, etc.), but they’ve never been needed based on it’s internal temperature sensor. This

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:06:47 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Frank Nicholas : > > Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - > > the red Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below > > 4.63V. The Pi MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clea

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Frank Nicholas : > Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - the red > Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below 4.63V. The Pi > MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clear indication of a power > issue. > > It might be a good thing to point out

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Frank Nicholas
Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - the red Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below 4.63V. The Pi MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clear indication of a power issue. It might be a good thing to point out in the HowTo that if the power

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Hal Murray
> And what do you call a 'real' meter? Something that is likely to be accurate. It will cost more than $5. I have a Fluke 112. I got it because we had one at work and I liked it. It's old enough that they don't make them any more. I'm not sure what I would get today. > Any modern meter sh

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:30:23 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > oli...@mutability.co.uk said: > > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi > > 2. > > Thanks. That could be the problem. Meter says 4.8V. I didn't get > out a scope to look for dips below that. I have h

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Hal Murray
e...@thyrsus.com said: >> I don’t think the issue is that the board designers cut cost - >>there’s power regulation on the boards. > I'm sure there is. But not a lot of it. Many are the reports of problems > in the presence of wobbly power - I'd heard a few myself even before I > started wor

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Frank Nicholas : > > Hackerboards like the Pi, Odroid, and Beaglebone are picky about > > getting clean power because they're designed for lowest cost. Power > > regulation is expensive compared to logic gates, and this is one of > > the corners they cut. Under-voltage or under-wattage ca

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Hal Murray
oli...@mutability.co.uk said: > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. Thanks. That could be the problem. Meter says 4.8V. I didn't get out a scope to look for dips below that. g...@rellim.com said: > Everyone should have a USB V/A meter, they are cheap. Here is

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Frank! On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 19:07:27 -0400 Frank Nicholas wrote: > Best to buy a power supply from a board reseller, that the reseller > “qualifies” or recommends for the board. Sadly I have found that no quarantee. After all, RasPi wzs selling 2A power supplies for a while before they found

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Frank Nicholas
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Gary E. Miller : >>> Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. >> >> The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. > > Gary, I've digested your remarks and my experirnce into a new section on

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. > > The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. Gary, I've digested your remarks and my experirnce into a new section on power: == Clean power is important == Hackerboards like t

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Oliver! On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:00:07 +0100 Oliver Jowett wrote: > On 2 June 2016 at 11:25, Hal Murray wrote: > > > > I just swapped the 701 on a Pi-3 with a 601 on a Pi-2. > > > > That didn't take long. The 601 just hung on the Pi-3. I have had no issues with a GR-601W on my Gentoo/Pi3

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Oliver Jowett : > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. Good point. This does sound like the kind of problem they get from dirty or weak power. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ devel maili

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > > I just swapped the 701 on a Pi-3 with a 601 on a Pi-2. > > That didn't take long. The 601 just hung on the Pi-3. I haven't tested with a USB GPS yet. I might get to today, but I have machines to set up first. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond _