Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 16:50:07 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Achim Gratz : > > > Now how can I avoid that? The Pi has no off switch! > > > > Individually switchable outlets and/or USB ports. Once you've used > > them you will wonder why you ever thought it was a good idea to > > pu

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Achim Gratz : > > Now how can I avoid that? The Pi has no off switch! > > Individually switchable outlets and/or USB ports. Once you've used them > you will wonder why you ever thought it was a good idea to pull and > re-plug the cables. Don't have that gear. Will look on the Anker website. --

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Achim Gratz
Eric S. Raymond writes: > Achim Gratz : >> If using USB cables with plugs on both ends, never plug them in or out >> with the power switched on (especially not on the micro side) and you >> should have a lot less problems. > > Now how can I avoid that? The Pi has no off switch! Individually switc

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Achim Gratz
Gary E. Miller writes: > Yeah, it is the Pi3 that is causing people problems. I'm not having a 3 yet, but at least on average the power consumption is not much higher, looking at the various published measurements. The reported problems likely are related to higher or faster transients and I'm wo

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Frank! On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 14:23:19 -0400 Frank Nicholas wrote: > > On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > > > Attached is a phot of the mess. You can also see the heat sink I > > added to the CPU. > > I put a couple of heatsinks on some of my Pi’s, (the one outside, > etc

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 20:55:14 +0200 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. > > I've been running my 2B unit on a 1A charger and never had any > problems. Yeah, it is the Pi3 that is causing people problems.

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Achim Gratz : > If using USB cables with plugs on both ends, never plug them in or out > with the power switched on (especially not on the micro side) and you > should have a lot less problems. Now how can I avoid that? The Pi has no off switch! -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eri

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 03:09:04 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > And what do you call a 'real' meter? > > Something that is likely to be accurate. It will cost more than $5. > > I have a Fluke 112. I guess you didn't know I used to work at Fluke. :-) Yes, real quality stuff, espeially if

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Achim Gratz
Gary E. Miller writes: > The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. I've been running my 2B unit on a 1A charger and never had any problems. Just the Pi+network, though, nothing hanging off the other I/O except a DCF77 module on the expansion header (I've sporadically used t

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Frank Nicholas
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Attached is a phot of the mess. You can also see the heat sink I added > to the CPU. I put a couple of heatsinks on some of my Pi’s, (the one outside, etc.), but they’ve never been needed based on it’s internal temperature sensor. This

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:06:47 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Frank Nicholas : > > Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - > > the red Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below > > 4.63V. The Pi MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clea

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Frank Nicholas : > Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - the red > Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below 4.63V. The Pi > MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clear indication of a power > issue. > > It might be a good thing to point out

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Frank Nicholas
Another quick note regarding power & the Raspberry Pi B+, 2 & 3 - the red Power LED will turn off to indicate if voltage drops below 4.63V. The Pi MIGHT continue to function Ok, but this is a clear indication of a power issue. It might be a good thing to point out in the HowTo that if the power

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Hal Murray
> And what do you call a 'real' meter? Something that is likely to be accurate. It will cost more than $5. I have a Fluke 112. I got it because we had one at work and I liked it. It's old enough that they don't make them any more. I'm not sure what I would get today. > Any modern meter sh

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:30:23 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > oli...@mutability.co.uk said: > > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi > > 2. > > Thanks. That could be the problem. Meter says 4.8V. I didn't get > out a scope to look for dips below that. I have h

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-03 Thread Hal Murray
e...@thyrsus.com said: >> I don’t think the issue is that the board designers cut cost - >>there’s power regulation on the boards. > I'm sure there is. But not a lot of it. Many are the reports of problems > in the presence of wobbly power - I'd heard a few myself even before I > started wor

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Frank Nicholas : > > Hackerboards like the Pi, Odroid, and Beaglebone are picky about > > getting clean power because they're designed for lowest cost. Power > > regulation is expensive compared to logic gates, and this is one of > > the corners they cut. Under-voltage or under-wattage ca

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Hal Murray
oli...@mutability.co.uk said: > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. Thanks. That could be the problem. Meter says 4.8V. I didn't get out a scope to look for dips below that. g...@rellim.com said: > Everyone should have a USB V/A meter, they are cheap. Here is

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Frank! On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 19:07:27 -0400 Frank Nicholas wrote: > Best to buy a power supply from a board reseller, that the reseller > “qualifies” or recommends for the board. Sadly I have found that no quarantee. After all, RasPi wzs selling 2A power supplies for a while before they found

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Frank Nicholas
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Gary E. Miller : >>> Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. >> >> The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. > > Gary, I've digested your remarks and my experirnce into a new section on

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. > > The Pi people say 2 amps is not good enough, they recommend 2.5A. Gary, I've digested your remarks and my experirnce into a new section on power: == Clean power is important == Hackerboards like t

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Oliver! On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:00:07 +0100 Oliver Jowett wrote: > On 2 June 2016 at 11:25, Hal Murray wrote: > > > > I just swapped the 701 on a Pi-3 with a 601 on a Pi-2. > > > > That didn't take long. The 601 just hung on the Pi-3. I have had no issues with a GR-601W on my Gentoo/Pi3

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Oliver Jowett : > Do you trust your power? The Pi 3 is even more picky than the Pi 2. Good point. This does sound like the kind of problem they get from dirty or weak power. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ devel maili

Re: [gpsd-dev] GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > > I just swapped the 701 on a Pi-3 with a 601 on a Pi-2. > > That didn't take long. The 601 just hung on the Pi-3. I haven't tested with a USB GPS yet. I might get to today, but I have machines to set up first. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond _

Re: GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Hal Murray
> I just swapped the 701 on a Pi-3 with a 601 on a Pi-2. That didn't take long. The 601 just hung on the Pi-3. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

GR-701W hangs on Pi-3

2016-06-02 Thread Hal Murray
Has anybody else noticed any problems? I've seen it a few times. The symptom is no output. cat /dev/ttyUSB0 never prints anything. Neither gpsmon i nor gpsd could get it going again. unplug then replug gets it going again. I haven't seen similar troubles with 601Ws on Pi-B or Pi-2. I jus