Re: warnings from backtrace

ad ifdef-ed out. So? Now what? Any action items? RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas?

Re: New state of the debug flags

ime looking for other blocks of repeated code. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid es

Re: Heads up: USE_PACKET_TIMESTAMP tangle

ks good. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you c

Re: Are we interested in supporting low resolution system clocks?

clean up a lot of tiny code chunks. I have run tests removing the fuzz code. Never found any change with or without the clock fuzz. I was too scared to remove it. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave.,

Re: Are we interested in supporting low resolution system clocks?

seful we need to save. The fuzz borders on a religious topic, cloaked in various statistical arguments. You'll need extra-ordinary proof. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

✘HPUX ??

Yo All! Does NTPsec support HPUX? I see some code that only applies to HPUX. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

✘USE_PACKET_TIMESTAMP

. You'll prolly have to revert. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? &q

Re: ✘HPUX ??

> Sanjeev, keep those servers mothballed, unless you have a personal > itch make hpux work. Oh, I hope not... Give them to a museum, if they'll take them... RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Av

Re: Heads up: USE_PACKET_TIMESTAMP tangle

slog(LOG_DEBUG, [...] - If you are going to always #undef SO_BINTIME, why a few lines later test for it? Some left over test code? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

virtual interfaces RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measur

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

Yo Ian! On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 19:02:49 -0500 Ian Bruene wrote: > ntp*q* Sorry, my mistake. I read 'ntpd'. But still try to keep the options the same as possible. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW W

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

Yo Eric! On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 22:46:42 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Just make the filename optional. So -l or -l filename > > Sadly, not practical with any varint of C or Python getopt. We'd have > to roll our own, and that wa

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

Yo Eric! On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:01:55 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Yo Eric! > > > > On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 22:46:42 -0400 > > "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > > > > > Gary E. Miller via devel :

Re: ntpsec | ntpq: -d -d != -D2 (#319)

esolved? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t im

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

.ArgumentParser() >>> parser.add_argument('--foo', nargs='?', const='c', default='d') _StoreAction(option_strings=['--foo'], dest='foo', nargs='?', const='c', default='d', type=None, choices=None, help=None, m

Re: ntpsec | ntpq: -d -d != -D2 (#319)

Yo Ian! On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 17:31:01 -0500 Ian Bruene via devel wrote: > On 06/08/2017 05:18 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > So, what do you think is still unresolved? > > At this point I think we have solved it, simply by eliminating the > alternatives. It'

Re: Proposed argument changes to ntpq (fixing bug #319)

Yo Ian! On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 17:34:27 -0500 Ian Bruene via devel wrote: > On 06/08/2017 05:29 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > NTPsec does not use Python's getopt(). It uses argparse(). > > So the real alternatives here are: > > 1. Have the dual -l/-L flags

✘Solaris ?

Yo Hal! Can you please look at issue #343? Your commit broke the Solaris build. https://gitlab.com/NTPsec/ntpsec/issues/342 RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g

Re: USE_PACKET_TIMESTAMP

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Re: restrict: Ignore CIDR in restrict address

o implement the rest of the fix soon, I think > you should add an error message. I am working on the rest of the implementation right now, but not gonna rush it. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington

Fw: [Git][NTPsec/ntpsec][master] Replace "uint" with "unsigned int"

Yo Matt! > Commits: > 0430e6a7 by Matt Selsky at 2017-06-08T23:42:39-04:00 > Replace 'uint' with 'unsigned int' I always thought 'unsigned int' was overly verbose. How about simply 'unsigned'? RGDS GARY ---------

✘New feature: restrict address/cidr

'man ntp.conf', but the wording could be improved... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vo

Re: [Git][NTPsec/ntpsec][master] Replace "uint" with "unsigned int"

you go to uintX you gotta add a ton of casts... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - L

Re: New feature: restrict address/cidr

s very convenient as the user can simply cut/paste rfom his 'ifconfig' or 'ip addr' output. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1

Re: New feature: restrict address/cidr

Yo Achim! On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:51:21 +0200 Achim Gratz via devel wrote: > Am 10.06.2017 um 04:59 schrieb Gary E. Miller via devel: > >> Slightly strange example. I'd expect 10.0.0.0 mask 255.0.0.0 == > >> 10.0.0.0/8 or 10.169.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 == 10.169.0.0/16

Re: argparse vs getopt

ility check I'll call it successful task completion. +1 RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’

Re: argparse vs getopt

argparse RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it

Re: argparse vs getopt

. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelv

Re: [cont...@ntpsec.org] Uputronics Ublox GPS v3.2b (c) 2016 & Additional Raspberry Pi revision detection info.

e the logic behind the revisions from: > > https://github.com/AndrewFromMelbourne/raspberry_pi_revision > > Greetings, > >Diederik > RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Be

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

f you check in on this, please? Done. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

going to be any significant normative changes before it's > finalized. I'll make the time for this before my proposed September 1 > freeze. +1 Any other upcoming RFC's we may also want to work on? RGDS GARY -------

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

must-have is Debian. And we have a chicken and egg thing with the distro maintainers, they do not want to work with a pre-1.0 version. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

back when it was posted. A hard one as it is very intermittent. I do see your new code to try to mitigate. I'm running 6 copies of ntpmon on 6 different hosts. If it runs overnight we can call it closed. RGDS GARY ---------

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

he itch to finish it for you. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "I

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

down, but there are still a lot of interesting failure cases. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve

Re: Time to plan for 1.0

Yo Ian! On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 06:34:17 -0500 Ian Bruene via devel wrote: > On 08/09/2017 01:13 AM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > I find leaving ntpmon running is smoking out a bunch of hard > > failure. > > In hindsight (yeah) we should have thought of this We d

Re: #251: Add fudge option to server config (was: Tracker bugs and our release process)

xternal > sync. Thank you for the confirmation. I've added your comment to bug #251 RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

✘Build failure

Yo All! I just tried to build ntpsec for the first time in weeks. Not good. See attached. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: ✘Build failure

nstall RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t im

Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=9C=98BuildMime-Version: 1.0

.org/ RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, y

Re: ✘Build failure

Yo Eric! On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:41:04 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > I just tried to build ntpsec for the first time in weeks. Not > > good. > > Were you formerly getting these? Yes, I see no way to fix ntp_parser_tab.c.

Re: ✘Build failure

sewhere. Anyone got any > ideas? yearstart is uint32_t, and our expected result will not fir in a uint32_t (3486372600 == 0xCFCDD2F8). So the compiler is not changing uint32_t to int32_t where we need it to. RGDS GARY ---------

Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=98BuildMime-Version: 1.0

st (int32_t to uint32_t) took place at a different point in the calculation. My solution would have been to force 32 bit arithmetic. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: ✘Build failure

1637:25: warning: conversion to 'long unsigned int' from 'long int' may change the sign of the result [-Wsign-conversion] AFAIK the only way to fix that one is to fix Bison. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Mille

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

ires C99 support. So clearly a NetBSD problem. Got a workaround? Maybe ldexpl() is in math.h, but if behind an #ifdef? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

__exp); } Is __builtin_ldexpl() defined anywhere? RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t m

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

Yo Paul! On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:51:07 -0700 Paul Theodoropoulos via devel wrote: > On 9/7/17 12:47, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > >> Eric: Do we have a list of OSes and hardware where ntpsec is known > >> to build and work? > > > > buildbot.ntpse

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

timespec is 64 bits. > Does ntp classic do anything interesting in this area? (That's the > sort of thing that Dave Mills is likely to have thought about.) ntp classic uses interger math, ntpsec uses double. RGDS GARY ----------

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

gt; So it seems reasonable to assume that it's OK to run without the > extra precision. Not reasonable, it fixed a bug. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

with isfinite(). RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it.&qu

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

the direct fp cpu op. Assuming you even have a long double FPU. Remember this has to support various, ARM, i386, amd64, MIPS, sparc, etc. you may not even have any FPU. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Av

✘NMEA/PPS driver #20 fix for issue #62

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Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it.&

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

lib-bug-people >Synopsis: ldexpl() missing from NetBSD 6 >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 14 19:05:00 + 2017 RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@re

Re: python-config on NetBSD 6

ng, but I can';t push it more. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you c

Re: Pivot cruft in step_systime

me. (no network involved) Nice idea, but prolly breaks some regression tests. Maybe for after 1.0? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

maining strict about our C99 conformance policy > and culling old releases/minor platforms that can't meet it. +1. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@relli

Re: Adoption strategy

POSIX, we should support them. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "

Re: NetBSD 6.1.5 doesn't have ldexpl in math.h

OSIX very much defines how the clock is played with. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid e

Re: Feature Freeze Friday

And ponder my last suggestion in #385. If you approve those would be almos trivial. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: Feature Freeze Friday

direcctly after 1.0. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t meas

Re: ntpd: Gross CPU usage

in your ntp.conf? Anything in your ntp logs? RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est ver

Re: Feature Freeze Friday

had better than micro second accuracy until the change. Common wisdom said it did, but the precision enhancements in ntpq and ntpmon showed otherwise. > Are there other cases when loss of precision happens? Several. timespec(64) will smoke a lot out. RGDS GARY ---

Re: Tinkerboard

the git end of things. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." -

Re: Tinkerboard

cially since they are combinatorially unverifiable. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est verit

Re: Tinkerboard

stood you, but all that does is lead to combintarorial excess. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vo

Re: Tinkerboard

r, better, ways to reduce bloat. But since we have no action items here, and release is coming, nothing more to discuss here. At least for now. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 9770

Re: ntpq: Tiny vs 0

27;ntpq -u' or just type 'u' while in ntpmon. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. --

Re: Apparent protocol-machine bug, new top priority

I have more control over my temperature than I have over my interrupt latency. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Ve

Re: Apparent protocol-machine bug, new top priority

olly several reasons why my SHM(1) seems to have 40x less jitter than yours. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos.

Re: Apparent protocol-machine bug, new top priority

Yo Fred! On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 19:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Fred Wright via devel wrote: > On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:55:30 -0700 (PDT) > > Fred Wright via devel wrote: > > > > > PPS(2) is the counter-capture

Re: Python Library Cleanups

and at least #1 is probably not gonna happen. Plus these are most likely too late for 1.0. We are in the final testing phases now. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabi

Re: All hands - we need to test Fred's build changes pronto

I say revert now. It violates existing prative and the FHS. > Please check in on this list as you verify that your platform is OK. No FHS platform is OK with this. It plainly violates the standard. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. M

Re: Name of path for installed libraries: ntp or ntpsec

here, which viloates the FHS: /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ntp/util.py But otherwise, I agree, I'd rather see site-packages/ntpsec RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, O

Re: Python Library Cleanups

s the only > > solution. > > I sincerely hope that Gentoo is not that broken. Implementing this > misfeature would require patching the Python interpreter. Uh, not Gentoo, the FHS, which all Linux is supposed to obey. RGDS GARY --------

Re: Python Library Cleanups

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Re: Python Library Cleanups

ere may be other ways around the PYTHONPATH issues,, but breaking the FHS is a bad one. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "

Re: Python Library Cleanups

atch. gpsd also breaks the FHS. I'm glad you point that out. I'm looking for when that got broken right now. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:

Re: Python 3 and 1.0

I'll push a patch shortly. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "

Re: Python Library Cleanups

PATH. Just don't put my name on it. And I still feel there is a middle ground here that might work, but it is not immediately obvious. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E,

Re: Python 3 and 1.0

eading how Linus does his releases. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you c

Re: Releasing, testing

? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you

Re: Our last-minute mess

smart people have worked on that for a long time, with good reason. And before you break FHS, talk to some of our maintainers to see what THEY think of breaking FHS? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave.,

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

n: can't find Python NTP library. No module named ntp.packet So you forgot to restore the PYTHONPATH checks. So a bunch more commits to revert. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend,

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Fred! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Fred Wright via devel wrote: > AFAICT, Python simply doesn't follow FHS on Linux. Really? It does on Gentoo. Ditto debian, etc... RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Re

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Linuces I have here > (Ubuntu, CentOS, and Fedora), and none of them has a single entry with > "local" as part of the path. Yes, as it should be. Local is local, and sys is sys. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Mi

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

THONPATH issue. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pg

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Eric! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:43:54 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Except for your upcoming solution to the PYTHONPATH issue. > > Explain "the PYTHONPATH issue", please. I just installed git head. No PYTHONPATH: spidey

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

tem packages are never installed in /usr/local/ local is local, and sys is sys. Separate, not quite equal, well defined by FHS. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

; > > > If the second one ever comes up non-empty we could have a problem. > > I checked CentOS 6.9 and CentOS 7.3 and, after I figured out I had to > import sys, I can confirm that the second expression comes back empty. Ditto for a barebones Gentoo. Which is what I expect. I h

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

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Re: Fix for Python library path problem

/lib/X/Y in > sys.path) from Gentoo and two versions of CentOS, as well as my > Ubuntu 16 and Raspbian systems. Uh, no. Not on my Gentoo, and not on CentOS. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave.,

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Eric! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:36:56 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Yo Eric! > > > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:43:54 -0400 > > "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > > > > > Gary E. Miller via devel : >

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Eric! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:40:56 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Yo Eric! > > > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:21:23 -0400 > > "Eric S. Raymond via devel" wrote: > > > > > Fred Wright via de

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Fred! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Fred Wright via devel wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > > > What we see that pip does, is edit the sys.path to include the > > location an egg is installed. That looks to me like a method &

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

Yo Fred! On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Fred Wright via devel wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > Fred Wright via devel wrote: > > > It only matters > > > for Linux, since get_python_lib() returns FHS-compliant result

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

age the results, then install elsewhere. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If yo

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

"""Append module search paths for third-party packages to sys.path. Seems apropos? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 5

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

S GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin p

Re: Fix for Python library path problem

b() we better agree on what it > > should do. I suspect the solution will require much more than just > > changes to get_python_lib(). > > Agreed. Good. Next? RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wi

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