Re: Repository downtime scheduled from 1500 to 1600 today

2017-03-06 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:50:42 -0500 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > Yo Eric! > > > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:29:34 -0500 (EST) > > e...@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) wrote: > > > > > The NTPsec repo is scheduled to b

Re: Repository surgery is complete

2017-03-07 Thread Gary E. Miller
han typing NTP Classic. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If y

Re: Repository surgery is complete

2017-03-07 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:49:08 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > NTF === Network Time Foundation. > > > > http://nwtime.org/ > > > > Easier than typing NTP Classic. > > To me NTF means noise transfer function. :-) Narc

✘lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-08 Thread Gary E. Miller
igned? I'm guessing the later, but I'm new to that part of the code... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Ve

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
ot;. Otherwise -Wsign-conversion does not complain about a lot. My goal is to get those warnings all fixed. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 3

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:35:20 -0500 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > It gets worse. Looks like l_fp needs to be int64_t, not uint64_t. > > Sometimes l_fp's are subtracted to get an offset. > > It doesn't matter. All those calcu

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
8, l_fp never uses the top bit, except to do sidewise fake at goping negative. I see no reason l_fp can not be signed. We'll know soon RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 977

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
make it a merge request as this is something that buildbot will be essential for. And since it is one patch, you can revert it if need be. If you want, I can post a git diff for review first. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rell

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
is so touchy. I see 12 uses of this in the code, so fixable, but I'll need to stare at my navel a bit longer for enlightenment... RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
n-traditional fashion. > Do any of the RFCs discuss the sign of the time stamps? They assume positive, but then when we take offsets they can go negative. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington A

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
ightenment travels from ignorant to stupid first. Of course, I'm likely still going senile too... RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Qu

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
ent in include/ntp_fp.h RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." -

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
h is done: ntpcal_ntp_to_time() and ctl_putfs(). And the later not even using l_fp, it uniquely uses tstamp_t which is seconds based on NTP Epoch. Ah, another extern I can change to static... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller R

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
back where it started... Target rich environment! RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Qu

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
sense to you, go ahead. > I haven't sorted out ntpcal_ntp_to_time yet. Easy, it is just converting a 32 bit NTP Epoch time stamp into a POSIX Epoch time stamp. It is not worth a lot of time it is only used in libntp/prettydate.c common_prettydate(). ntpcal_ntp_to_time() could become a sta

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
Epoch and also uses the macro. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
y to fix that area] Sounds like you have a way better handle than I do. I'm off to find other obfuscation. If is is not obvious, many thanks for helping in this thicket! I can get lost in the twisty maze of passages, all seemingly alike... RGDS GARY ---

Re: Do we need a few new types?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
ud, but not now. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it.&qu

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
ne that misread the RFC. NTP Time is based on > > 1Jan1990, but when using the Epoch it can uniquely define any time > > backwards or forward. > > s/1990/1900/ Right. > It's the same problem as the GPS 1024 week. That does NOT make me feel better... GPS Week rollover

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
ng of POSIX Epoch and midway into NTP Epoch 0. > You could bump it occasionally, say at every release. Then you have to redo your regressions every release. A non-starter. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.c

Re: Expected lifetime of software?

2017-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
parts, like HDDs upgraded as they fail. > If the time stamp on the wire wraps in 2036, how far back do we have > to get ready and/or when should we start announcing that we are or > are/not ready? Now. RGDS GARY -------

Re: Do we need a few new types?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
ets fixed. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgpOC9F

Re: Do we need a few new types?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
NTP epoch, parallel but different from a POSIX > > time_t. > > Reasonable. If you eantee to create and speread around, say, > ntp_secs32_t and ntp_secs64_t, I would not object. So now we get a 96 bit l_fp? RGDS GARY -----------

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:07:55 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > As I said yesterday, I gave up on the top dopwn approach. I have > > gone to bottom up. Fixing small things. It will prolly take me a > > week to deal with all the really obvi

Re: Commits on head vs. branching

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
nce positive in the end, and any remaining complaints aired sooner rather than later. Plus key people have a much better concensus on how things are. The inputs from Hal, Achim, ncguk, and others have been all appreciated and beneficial. Keep 'em coming please. RGDS GARY -------

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
he 32 bit shifts. When the C compiler optimizes it is using the same mental abstraction to see optimizations. I have no objections to the changed comments. They just keep getting better and better. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rell

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgp_OJgC

Re: Fix normalize_tspec

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
NEG(v) (v) = (-1 * (int64_t)(v)) ^ ../../include/timespecops.h:344:3: note: in expansion of macro 'L_NEG' L_NEG(absx); ^ RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend,

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:49:46 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > The problem is that I need buildbot to smoke out how things work on > > different OS, C compilers, byte widths and byte orders. > > Other projects use a smoke branch for that. S

Re: NTP time vs POSIX time

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
vot logic because it can use 64 bit arithmetic. +1. Looking forward to the patch. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: Is that the right fix?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
led. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgpLypBU8mogt.pgp Des

Re: NTP time vs POSIX time

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
s project, one > careful transformation at a time. The part Hal is looking at, reading the leap second file, and handing the data to mode6 is pretty self contained. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite

Re: Is that the right fix?

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
he U is fixing? Edit wafhelpers/configure.py Search for this line and uncomment it: # "-Wsign-conversion", # debug only # ./waf clean # ./waf configure --refclock=all && ./waf build RGDS GARY ------- Gary

✘adj_systeim()

2017-03-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
how to use STA_OFFSET mode in nanoseconds with ntp_adjtime_ns(). RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos

Re: Some fixes for sign conversion warnings

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:53:24 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > …to help Gary out a bit. Wow, that is about 50 warnings gone. Great stuff. Thanks! RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suit

Re: ✘adj_systeim()

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:22:04 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > Yo All! > > > > I have been tracking a loss of precision error and found something I > > dislike. Eric thinks I must be mistaken, so I need a tie breaker. &g

Re: adj_systeim()

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
OD. Good point. I think the ntpd code predates any kernel code, and they likely never went back to cleanup. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1

Re: adj_systeim()

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
> MOD_ names, they're more portable to (e.g.) BSD systems. Portability is good. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas li

Re: adj_systeim()

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
etty plain vanilla. All of them behave the same with adj_systime(). RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabi

Re: lfpinit() signed or unsigned?

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Sanjeev! On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 05:39:52 +0800 Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:19 AM, Gary E. Miller > wrote: > > > On my long term todo list to get more buildbots up. > > > Hey, what happened to the plan to shift to the VM I set up? Up on my

Re: adj_systeim()

2017-03-12 Thread Gary E. Miller
ople can see what ntpd is actually doing. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas?

✘Prevent potential buffer overruns in the mode 6 code.

2017-03-13 Thread Gary E. Miller
rt of bit-picky C code is where problems lurk. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est ver

Re: Future of 32 bit time_t?

2017-03-14 Thread Gary E. Miller
lian here) does not cook youu in your sleep. On the flip side, when a RasPi zero is $5 retail qty/1 no need to worry about compute power in the coffee pot. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Ben

Re: Future of 32 bit time_t?

2017-03-14 Thread Gary E. Miller
can sell > many more... Can you control your PIC coffeepot from your Alexa? Otherwise you got no market now. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com T

Re: warnings: 'NANOSECOND' macro redefined

2017-03-14 Thread Gary E. Miller
ck.c:#define NANOSECONDS 10 So? They are all unique, all have their special place. If you did a context grep the comments would expalin a bit more. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wi

Re: Cruft: There are 3 routines that convert time_t to text

2017-03-15 Thread Gary E. Miller
used piece of code. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgpktMJuu05Ad.pg

Re: warnings: 'NANOSECOND' macro redefined

2017-03-15 Thread Gary E. Miller
ach other. Very bad collision. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? &quo

Re: warnings: 'NANOSECOND' macro redefined

2017-03-15 Thread Gary E. Miller
GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pg

Re: warnings: 'NANOSECOND' macro redefined

2017-03-15 Thread Gary E. Miller
COND > + /* from sys/timex.h on NetBSD and FreeBSD */ > +# undef NANOSECOND > +#endif And then all BSD people be be confused since 1e9 is not 1e-9. Best surprise is no surprise. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rell

Re: Cruft: There are 3 routines that convert time_t to text

2017-03-15 Thread Gary E. Miller
nges to the very simple and the very critical. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est ve

Re: Heads up - eyeballs needed

2017-03-16 Thread Gary E. Miller
ally since you misread the change. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve

Re: Heads up - eyeballs needed

2017-03-16 Thread Gary E. Miller
g for me. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t i

Fw: [Git][NTPsec/ntpsec][master] Setup to help testing leap seconds

2017-03-18 Thread Gary E. Miller
that valid dates work. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you

✘More l_fp excess

2017-03-20 Thread Gary E. Miller
the MJD and seconds past midnight... Plus several more similar in that file. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas l

Re: More desk clutter... :-)

2017-03-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
be interested in how well it works just over the LAN with local chimers. The Ethernet is the weak link on the RasPi. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com T

Re: More desk clutter... :-)

2017-03-22 Thread Gary E. Miller
eT is a surprise to me. Can the TikerBoard GigE do hardware PTP? I look forward to your future results. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 858

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-23 Thread Gary E. Miller
nd disable configuration > snippets while leaving the file conyent of snippets untouched. Hmm, without the extentions this is harder. Maybe the all end in .ntp, or must start with a number? Then README gets skipped. RGDS GARY ------------

Re: More desk clutter... :-)

2017-03-23 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Achim! On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:43:22 +0100 Achim Gratz wrote: > Gary E. Miller writes: > > Hmm, very interesting data point. That GigE is not clearly better > > than the 100BaseT is a surprise to me. > > Why do you think it should be "clearly" better? The

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-23 Thread Gary E. Miller
y apache2 config snippets work. What's your > actual issue with it? Not any Apache snippet I have ever seen. I have seen no Apache with file suffixes. Got a link to an example? RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller

Re: More desk clutter... :-)

2017-03-23 Thread Gary E. Miller
routing caches full. I just looked at one of my ethernet ports, it has 50 different binary options. Another has 44. Then there are all the tunebles. I could get lost in there for a month... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller R

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-23 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:04:50 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > Not any Apache snippet I have ever seen. I have seen no Apache > > with file suffixes. Got a link to an example? > > The file suffixes for designating which program

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-24 Thread Gary E. Miller
g implementations uinsg a suffix like yours. So far there is zero support here for your suffix suggestion. Nothing but support for the Apache like part of your suggestion. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-24 Thread Gary E. Miller
id! RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve

Re: Request for design critique - configuration directories

2017-03-24 Thread Gary E. Miller
by the past than repeat the mistakes of the past. > That's OK; nobody gets to be good at everything, not even veterans as > grizzled as you or me. Yup, and when everyone with an opinion dislikes your suffixes maybe we need to work on this some more. RGDS GARY ---

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-25 Thread Gary E. Miller
you see above, Linux X32 has already moved to 64 bit ints at the syscall interface. I expect other actively maintened 32 bit OS to do so as well. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-25 Thread Gary E. Miller
a 64 bit int you need a long double with (usually) 80 significant bits. Most Intel CPUs can do long double in hardware, so available for you without much penalty. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave.,

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-25 Thread Gary E. Miller
going to let POSIX solve it in time. They seem to be doing that by > shifting to 64 bit time_t. +1. I just like my beliefs well founded in data. I'm amazed at all the unused cruft you have found, nice work. RGDS GARY ----------

Re: Is it easy/possible to run code with 32 bit pointers on a modern 64 bit OS?

2017-03-25 Thread Gary E. Miller
own to 0.3%... RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you ca

Re: Difference to Classic: precision value

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
e. The gpsd refclock got 'fixed' in commit 3d0ff052977402dfacabc37d47568ddd1ce0d47e Precision is not used much by ntpd, it is just passed along. Each driver just pulls out a WAG for it, so do not take it very seriously. RGDS GARY ----------

Re: Is it easy/possible to run code with 32 bit pointers on a modern 64 bit OS?

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
ake some headway. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgphalFEKzfDY.pgp

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
be moved to their own daemon. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it.&q

Re: Is it easy/possible to run code with 32 bit pointers on a modern 64 bit OS?

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
bit > pointers. (So there is a 4th pointer somewhere.) Or a structure packing issue. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: Is it easy/possible to run code with 32 bit pointers on a modern 64 bit OS?

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Daniel! On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:09:06 -0500 Daniel Poirot wrote: > You want to see some real misery? Run the code through the MISRA > rules. Horrible. I love horrible. How do I do that? RGDS GARY --- Gary E.

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
is a bit sloppy on type precision. Pulling in either once would annoy a lot of minimalists. OTOH there are a lot of NUMPY fans. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703

Re: l_fp, time, calendar

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
e it in. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgpnBzt2IJtQI.pgp

Re: Is it easy/possible to run code with 32 bit pointers on a modern 64 bit OS?

2017-03-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
way. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, you can’t improv

Re: MISRA 2008 C++ violations

2017-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
current team can do at once. Patches welcome! RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est

Re: More waf confusion

2017-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
rks for me. I suppose we could explicitly undefine them, but that is extra work for no big win. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: More desk clutter... :-)

2017-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
god temp stability. The advantage to ntpheat is is you put the CPU underload then ntpheat will compensate. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1

Re: More waf confusion

2017-03-29 Thread Gary E. Miller
I see no way to avoid the automagic. Only thing we could do is undefine it after the test. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: More waf confusion

2017-03-30 Thread Gary E. Miller
I'm done, but I just expect config.h to be full of stuff anyway. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liber

Re: Wildcard-socket simplification hits a wall

2017-03-31 Thread Gary E. Miller
ent and popular ways to dor .d directories. Esr's take is very much an outlier. But more on that later, in a different thread. Maybe someone could ask on the NTP list is anyone uses the feature? RGDS GARY ------- Gary E.

Re: Wildcard-socket simplification hits a wall

2017-03-31 Thread Gary E. Miller
ti...@ntp.org. Did not seem like a hack...@ntp.org thing. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos.

Re: Wildcard-socket simplification hits a wall

2017-03-31 Thread Gary E. Miller
mand-line options are used. If none of those options are used and no interface actions are specified in the configuration file, all available network addresses are opened. The nic command is an alias for interface. RGDS GARY --------

Re: Wildcard-socket simplification hits a wall

2017-03-31 Thread Gary E. Miller
hich the datagram was received (see if(3N)). Set the argument to non-zero to enable; set to 0 to disable. It seems like there has to be a pony in here somewhere... RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmin

✘interface/nic

2017-04-03 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo All! I got a good response to my question on nic/interface. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-04 Thread Gary E. Miller
s with --disable-debug) Sorry. Fixed. The new refclock test does not work well with no refclocks. I should not push late at night... RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
if > you feed me the info. http://buildbot.net/ Our implementation is no the NTPsec admin wiki. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 85

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
bot web master to the new server :-) I'm still asking for volunteers to help on that. RGDS GARY ----------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
ng does not build, then buildbot fails. otherwise it passes. There is the known bug that test failures do not fail cause buildbot fail. I think someone already filed an issue on it. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW

✘units mode

2017-04-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.001 0.001 us A lot of zeros of ms, minus zero, etc. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
I don't see how that can work, warnings are by defintion not failures. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Verita

Re: Current HEAD is broken

2017-04-06 Thread Gary E. Miller
on, begging code is code you do not want in a production binary. This is also high on my list to fix. The vast majrity of users will want debugging off, the few that want it can turm it on. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim

Re: warnings, attic/sht.c

2017-04-08 Thread Gary E. Miller
sht supposed to be > stand-alone? Yes. > If so, we should fix it to use some other randomness > and not link with our libraries. Dunno... RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, B

Re: float-equal warnings

2017-04-09 Thread Gary E. Miller
'd ask first. I agree, for most cases. There are a few where 0.09 may be enough. Start hacking, send a merge request or a patch. We can interate to a solution. RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suit

Re: float-equal warnings

2017-04-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo All! Mark asked me to dig deeper. On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 19:06:53 -0700 "Gary E. Miller" wrote: > > Comparing against LOGTOD(-31) will fail for any value less than > > ~0.2ns (the minimum l_fp fraction). > > Yup. Except the results is a constant, and having to c

Re: TEST fails on NetBSD

2017-04-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
dTrip):FAIL: > Values Not W > ithin Delta > > > RGDS GARY ------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t measure it, y

Re: TEST fails on NetBSD

2017-04-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
a long time. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can’t meas

Re: TEST fails on NetBSD

2017-04-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! It was the Trevor one. Not sure why our commit id's differ?? On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:03:32 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > Yo Hal! > > > > The last commit I can build is > > 1b47ed72aedcc8f2e39ae198a0ea26a565ca6a15 a

Re: Added "tai" variable to units display, fixed lurking bug in ntpmon.

2017-04-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
"/usr/local/bin/ntpmon", line 309, in stdscr.addstr(strconvert.encode('UTF-8')) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xae in position 60: ordinal not in range(128) RGDS GARY ------------

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