Using S3's Savage drivers

2003-07-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hi, I've been running S3's Savage driver (version 1.1.18 S3) for the last few days. I've been using a somewhat hackish setup, using - the 2D driver within a current CVS HEAD server; - the kernel module built from 4.2.0 sources and a heavily patched 2.4.18 kernel; - the 3D driver built from

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
TR> Unfortunately, "interesting" and "meaningful" are NOT among the TR> criteria used by the US Patent and Trademark Office in awarding TR> patents. The European Parliament intends to discuss in September Arlene McCarthy's bill that aims to put European patent law in step with its American counter

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 06:09:44PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote: >Ironically, the Linux desktop community doesn't target the > only potential business case there is. It's often at odds with > it. Workstation users like a platform that doesn't change and anything > that risks damaging OpenGL b

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Mark Vojkovich
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Tim Roberts wrote: > On 18 Jul 2003 20:16:35 -0500, William Suetholz wrote: > > > >On the other hand.. If more people who didn't want to have to run > >another OS to access features that are not well supported because of > >lack of knowledge on how to support them would comm

Re: Missing socklen_t in xdmcp.c

2003-07-18 Thread Marc Aurele La France
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Torrey Lyons wrote: > Jaguar (Mac OS X 10.2.x) has IPv6 support but does not define > socklen_t. This type is required by Xserver/os/xdmcp.c with IPv6 > support: > #if defined(IPv6) && defined(AF_INET6) > static struct addrinfo *mgrAddr; > static struct addrinfo *mgrAddrFirs

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Tim Roberts
On 18 Jul 2003 20:16:35 -0500, William Suetholz wrote: > >On the other hand.. If more people who didn't want to have to run >another OS to access features that are not well supported because of >lack of knowledge on how to support them would comment/complain >(oh alright -BITCH-) maybe the hardw

Missing socklen_t in xdmcp.c

2003-07-18 Thread Torrey Lyons
Jaguar (Mac OS X 10.2.x) has IPv6 support but does not define socklen_t. This type is required by Xserver/os/xdmcp.c with IPv6 support: #if defined(IPv6) && defined(AF_INET6) static struct addrinfo *mgrAddr; static struct addrinfo *mgrAddrFirst; #define SOCKADDR_TYPE struct sockaddr_s

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread William Suetholz
Hello, Thank you all on the list for your responses.. It has been interesting. Mr. Harris, yes I am one of "Those people" who want a device to work in my chosen operating system, and have been frustrated that while things have gotten a bit better than they were in 1998, the OS and users that

how to set geometry for a window (from other program)?

2003-07-18 Thread Andriy Rysin
Hi, I use twm and have to put initial window of mozilla into 0,0 position. But there's a bug in mozilla - it ignores geometry setting - this bug is filed but still not fixed. I did not find any means to set x,y in twm, so the question is whether there is a way to set geometry of window with some

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Mark Vojkovich
You're the first person I've seen in the Linux world who actually has some insight into the way this really works. Not to say that what you've said is all there is too it. It's not a simple as that, but there is certainly this aspect to it, and it's possibly the dominant one. Frank La Monic

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Tim Roberts
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:25:16 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > >Maybe they could have the whole X driver and kernel module in open >source, and only keep the opengl library as proprietary stuff. I more or >less doubt they have any IP involved in these part, at least some really >meaningfull stuff. Unfor

A Wiki for this project

2003-07-18 Thread Egbert Eich
Cynthia Grossen has helped me to get a Wiki for XFree86-related topics started. You can find it under: http://xfree86.linuxwiki.org In fact this Wiki has been around for over a year now, but it has never been announced publically. Since it has been moved to the linuxwiki.org domain I w

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Dan
Mike A. Harris wrote: On 17 Jul 2003, William Suetholz wrote: After all their drivers don't support XV at all, so you can't use the multimedia capabilities of some of their integrated cards like the AIW-PRO and 8500DV. I realize that in the past they have provided some information to XFree86

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 05:57:50AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > >What's the deal with ATI's drivers? > > > > Maybe they could have the whole X driver and kernel module in open > source, and only keep the opengl library as proprietary stuff. I more or >

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On 17 Jul 2003, William Suetholz wrote: > > If I sound like the devil's advocate, I assure you I'm not. I'm > just tired of hearing random people bitch and beak off about this > type of crap who don't put any sort of thought whatsoever into > the busin

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:44:46PM +0200, Peter Firefly Lund wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Why do these companies not open source their complete drivers? > > > Because they have intellectual property in their drivers that > > > > As if their concurent where not capable o

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Peter \"Firefly\" Lund
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > > Why do these companies not open source their complete drivers? > > Because they have intellectual property in their drivers that > > As if their concurent where not capable of reverse engineering the ^ competition somehow English c

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 05:57:50AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >What's the deal with ATI's drivers? > > The binary ones, or the open source ones? Either way, your > question isn't very clear. "What's the deal" doesn't mean a lot. I think you are exagerating, it was perfectly clear what he d

Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Mike A. Harris
On 17 Jul 2003, William Suetholz wrote: > When are the various different patches out there for ATI cards going >to be integrated into XFree86 and DRI? I know of at least two different >projects that are modifying these drivers. I'm not sure what specific patches you're refering to, but if you