Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tuesday, 12 January 2021 02:46:23 PST Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > So why do we even ship 3rd parties with Qt in the current form if we > can't be bother to update them promptly (for bug fixes, security fixes, > and the like)? Wouldn't it be better to just provide a script (cmake'

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> -Original Message- > [...] > So why do we even ship 3rd parties with Qt in the current form if we > can't be bother to update them promptly (for bug fixes, security fixes, and > the like)? > Wouldn't it be better to just provide a script (cmake's external > project, recipe, conan build

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On 05/01/2021 20:35, Thiago Macieira wrote: 1) 3rd parties not getting updated for security bugs Non-issue. Qt does not update the third-party content because of security issues in that content itself and does not issue advisories for bundled third- party. Only when Qt's use of that third-party

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On 1/6/2021 6:10 AM, Volker Hilsheimer wrote: Hi Max and Adam, What can do better to avoid such regressions from making it into a release, or preferably into the code, in the first place? Nobody, not even the Qt Company management :P *wants* to release crappy quality on time. What we know abo

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Wednesday, 6 January 2021 10:25:50 -03 NIkolai Marchenko wrote: > wow, this title is so completely incorrect and taken out of context. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:15 PM Vlad Stelmahovsky > > wrote: > > you guys getting "famous": > > https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/05/qt_lts_goes_comme

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

st 6. 1. 2021 v 19:10 odesílatel Adam Light napsal: > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:15 AM Volker Hilsheimer > wrote: > >> >> What can do better to avoid such regressions from making it into a >> release, or preferably into the code, in the first place? Nobody, not even >> the Qt Company managemen

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:15 AM Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > > What can do better to avoid such regressions from making it into a > release, or preferably into the code, in the first place? Nobody, not even > the Qt Company management :P *wants* to release crappy quality on time. > For major versio

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

wow, this title is so completely incorrect and taken out of context. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:15 PM Vlad Stelmahovsky wrote: > you guys getting "famous": > https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/05/qt_lts_goes_commercial_only/ > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:15 PM Volker Hilsheimer > wrote: > >>

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

you guys getting "famous": https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/05/qt_lts_goes_commercial_only/ On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:15 PM Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > > On 5 Jan 2021, at 21:18, Max Paperno wrote: > > > > On 1/5/2021 1:02 PM, Adam Light wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:56 AM Volker Hilsh

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 09:14, Richard Weickelt wrote: > > > Right. That will become an issue in 4 months when GCC 11 ships with its > > internal > > header-dependency refactorings, breaking all sorts of Qt code, and > > that will then > > bubble down to various distro downstreams during this year

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> On 5 Jan 2021, at 21:18, Max Paperno wrote: > > On 1/5/2021 1:02 PM, Adam Light wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:56 AM Volker Hilsheimer > > wrote: >>Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use >>it without getting more patches?

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> Right. That will become an issue in 4 months when GCC 11 ships with its > internal > header-dependency refactorings, breaking all sorts of Qt code, and > that will then > bubble down to various distro downstreams during this year and next. Then > again, > distro packagers can hopefully handle t

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 22:22, Max Paperno wrote: > I'm so sick of "scheduled releases come hell or high water" in the > programming world (in general, not just Qt). The quality is (usually) > crap. Once upon a time this release quality was called > Alpha/Beta/Preview/NFP (not for production). Qt

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On 1/5/2021 1:02 PM, Adam Light wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:56 AM Volker Hilsheimer mailto:volker.hilshei...@qt.io>> wrote: Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use it without getting more patches? I can't speak to 5.15 as we decided not to upgrade s

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 21:42, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > 2) support for newer compilers/OS versions/etc. that may cause trouble. > Currently a non-issue, since Qt 5.15 is less than a year old. It may become an > issue in two or three years' time, but hopefully by then the Qt 6.x content > set will

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tuesday, 5 January 2021 15:06:05 -03 Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > Il 05/01/21 16:55, Volker Hilsheimer ha scritto: > > Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use it > > without getting more patches? > Apart from bugs, there's still the issue of > > 1) 3r

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Il 05/01/21 16:55, Volker Hilsheimer ha scritto: Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use it without getting more patches? Apart from bugs, there's still the issue of 1) 3rd parties not getting updated for security bugs 2) support for newer compilers/OS versions/et

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:56 AM Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use it > without getting more patches? > > I can't speak to 5.15 as we decided not to upgrade since it's not a real LTS release (we do not believe we are eligible to purchase

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 16:55, Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > > Apart from that: is Qt 5.15.2 really so broken that people can’t use it > without getting more patches? > A quick search in Jira gives already 11 "P1: Critical" bugs with Fix Version 5.15.3. With 5 issues about crashes, 1 memory leak and

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> On 5 Jan 2021, at 16:23, Scott Bloom wrote: > > On Monday, 4 January 2021 20:32:27 -03 Scott Bloom wrote: >>> The funny thing, I remember at a Qt Dev Days when Qt 5 was about a >>> year away. The "we will never do a Qt 3-4 type major version change >>> again" was said time and time again. >>

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

I need some version clarification. Is Qt 5.15.3 in the "strict" phase of the Qt LTS? I have approved changes into Qt 5.15.3 under the assumption that we are still in the stable phase, as I have not seen any emails to the contrary. I assumed this as the QUIP [1] states: >strict: This period star

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTQAINFRA-4121 for anyone interested in > the inevitable community fork. FWIW, I created https://github.com/qt-lts-community a while ago in preparation for this (though I did not think much of this, TBH,

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

17.33 To: Tuukka Turunen , Qt Development ML Subject: RE: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January Hi Tukka, what do you mean by “commercial only” exactly? Is Qt 5.15.3 only included in the subscription or is it also included in an active perpetual

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Am Mo., 4. Jan. 2021 um 15:57 Uhr schrieb Tuukka Turunen < tuukka.turu...@qt.io>: > > > Hi Roland, > > > > Just so that there is no misunderstanding Qt 5.15.2 release stays > available for all users, it is just the upcoming LTS phase patch releases > that will be commercial only. In essence for th

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Le lun. 4 janv. 2021 à 15:57, Tuukka Turunen a écrit : > > > Hi Roland, > > > > Just so that there is no misunderstanding Qt 5.15.2 release stays > available for all users, it is just the upcoming LTS phase patch releases > that will be commercial only. In essence for the open-source users Qt 5.1

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Le lun. 4 janv. 2021 à 16:06, Calogero Mauceri a écrit : > As far as I understand the next LTS release will be Qt 6.2. > If 5.15 will not receive any more patches open source users are left > without LTS till 6.2 is released. Am I correct? > > From now on, will LTS releases be available only for

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> is similar to Qt 5.13 and Qt 5.14 (non-LTS releases). > > > > Yours, > > > > Tuukka > > > > *From: *Development > *Date: *Monday, 4. January 2021 at 16.33 > *To: *Qt Development ML > *Subject: *Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

, Tuukka From: Development Date: Monday, 4. January 2021 at 16.33 To: Qt Development ML Subject: Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January Am Mo., 4. Jan. 2021 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Benjamin TERRIER mailto:b.terr...@gmail.com>>

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> On 4 Jan 2021, at 15:33, Bernhard Lindner wrote: > > >> yeah, 6.0 is a joke given that you intend to break binary >> compat in 6.1 - that's the wisdom of linking r&d's bonus payments to >> release dates even for major versions > > Thank you for saying what no one else dared to say. I’m no

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

> yeah, 6.0 is a joke given that you intend to break binary > compat in 6.1 - that's the wisdom of linking r&d's bonus payments to > release dates even for major versions Thank you for saying what no one else dared to say. -- Best Regards, Bernhard Lindner ___

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Am Mo., 4. Jan. 2021 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Benjamin TERRIER < b.terr...@gmail.com>: > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 14:14, Oswald Buddenhagen > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 10:55:03AM +, Tuukka Turunen wrote: >> >With Qt 6.0.0 released and the first patch release (Qt 6.0.1) coming >> >soon,

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 14:14, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 10:55:03AM +, Tuukka Turunen wrote: > >With Qt 6.0.0 released and the first patch release (Qt 6.0.1) coming > >soon, it is time to enter the commercial-only LTS phase for Qt 5.15 > >LTS. > > > that's some brillia

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 10:55:03AM +, Tuukka Turunen wrote: With Qt 6.0.0 released and the first patch release (Qt 6.0.1) coming soon, it is time to enter the commercial-only LTS phase for Qt 5.15 LTS. that's some brilliant timing, given that no actual qt 6 release even exists yet. (yeah,

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

using those. Yours, Tuukka From: Development Date: Monday, 4. January 2021 at 15.01 To: Qt development mailing list Subject: Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January Tend to agree with Thiago. If there is a decision to close

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Tend to agree with Thiago. If there is a decision to close 5.15 sources, there'll be no more work from external/unpaid contributors. Regards, Konstantin пн, 4 янв. 2021 г. в 15:21, Thiago Macieira : > On Monday, 4 January 2021 07:55:03 -03 Tuukka Turunen wrote: > > We can arrange access for ext

Re: [Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

On Monday, 4 January 2021 07:55:03 -03 Tuukka Turunen wrote: > We can arrange access for external module maintainers to the commercial-only > repositories. If there is interest, please contact me or Tarja Sundqvist > tarja.sundqv...@qt.io who is the release > manager f

[Development] Commercial-only LTS phase starts: Closing the 5.15 branch(es) on 5th January

Hi, With Qt 6.0.0 released and the first patch release (Qt 6.0.1) coming soon, it is time to enter the commercial-only LTS phase for Qt 5.15 LTS. All the existing 5.15 branches remain publicly visible, but they are closed for new commits (and cherry-picks). Exception being the Qt WebEngine (an