On 06/05/2013 03:59 PM, Henrik Nordström wrote:
> ons 2013-06-05 klockan 22:24 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
...
>> so the point is: if anyone wishes me to propose to allwinner that
>> they convert over to devicetree, or any other proposal which involves
>> significant low-level change
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström
> wrote:
>
>>> and then there's the boot0 and boot1 loaders, these *do* have
>
>> no, these are not tiny. boot0 is 24KB to fit the initial embedded SRAM
>> (not cache), but boot1 is on p
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström
>>> wrote:
>>>
> and then there's the boot0 and boot1
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström
>>> wrote:
>>>
> and then there's the boot0 and boot1
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 00:54:02 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Henrik Nordström
>
> wrote:
> > tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:26 +0100 skrev luke.leighton:
> >> no john - they've only added it to the multiplexed sections of the
> >>
> >> drivers which they themselves ha
Dear Tomasz Figa,
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:01:14 +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner
> code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times
> already), as this is the only hardware description method supported
> by ARM Linux.
H
Hi Thomas,
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 11:27:23 Thomas Petazzoni wrote:
> Dear Tomasz Figa,
>
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:01:14 +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> > I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner
> > code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times
> > al
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 02:01:14AM +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to
> DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as
> this is the only hardware description method supported by ARM Linux.
Well, the serv
Luke,
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa
wrote:
> > I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code
> > to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times
> > already), as this is the only hardw
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:49:38 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tomasz Figa
wrote:
> > Luke,
> >
> > On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa
> >
> > wrote:
> >> > I don't see any other solution here
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>
> > I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to
> > DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as
> > this is the only hardw
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:22:04PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Henrik Nordström
> wrote:
> > tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:54 +0100 skrev luke.leighton:
> >
> >> > Not really the case. Actually the opposite. DT have this as well, and
> >> > integrated in device probin
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>
>> > I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to
>> > DT (as it has been suggested in this t
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton wrote:
> augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here?
Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have
Allwinner join Linaro and provide an engineer to the Linaro effort.
That engineer will get educated on the right way to do ke
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton wrote:
>> augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here?
>
> Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have
> Allwinner join Linaro and provide an engineer to the Linar
Hi everyone,
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:00:00AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton
> > wrote:
> >> augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here?
> >
> > Luke if you really want to fix
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 07:28:10PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> I should also add that Allwinner not only talked to us already, but also
> expressed interest in doing actual modern kernel development (like using
> "recently" introduced kernel frameworks, like the clk framework).
>
> I've received
On Thursday 06 June 2013, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> So yes, Allwinner has an evil vendor tree (c), with a solution similar yet
> inferior (because not generic enough) to the device tree, but they show
> interest on going down the mainline road.
Right, and of course there is nothing special about that
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 09:02:43AM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> ok. so. we come back to the question again: what shall i propose to
> them that they consider doing, and what benefit would it be to them to
> do so?
>
> i cannot go to them and say "you have to do this [insert proposal
> here]"
On Friday 07 of June 2013 08:52:43 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Tomasz Figa
wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:49:38 luke.leighton wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tomasz Figa
> >
> > wrote:
> >> > Luke,
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:2
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 10:40:37AM +0200, Vladimir Pantelic wrote:
> luke.leighton wrote:> so.
> >
> > coming back to what you said earlier: i'm formulating what to say to
> > allwinner [and need to pre-send something by monday so that they can
> > consider it before the meeting]. so far, it c
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 09:48:22AM +0200, Vladimir Pantelic wrote:
> luke.leighton wrote:
>> 3 days remaining on the clock.
>
> what catastrophic thing will happen when the time runs out?
Maybe the world will explode into tiny small bits? Probably not. I
suspect nothing of any relevance to us.
2013/6/7 Olof Johansson :
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton
>> wrote:
>>> augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here?
>>
>> Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have
>> Allwinner join Linaro
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:52:43AM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> coming back to what you said earlier: i'm formulating what to say to
> allwinner [and need to pre-send something by monday so that they can
> consider it before the meeting]. so far, it consists of:
>
> * device-tree is what the li
On 06/07/2013 02:02 AM, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> wrote:
>
>> If companies are going to go off and invent the square wheel, and that
>> makes *them* suffer the loss of being able to merge back into the
>> mainline kernel, thereby making *the
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 02:49:28PM +, joem wrote:
> > > SoC vendors are free to join the discussion, and many SoC vendors are part
> > > of the kernel community, so calling this unilateral is plain wrong.
> >
> > you're free to believe that, vladimir. i've explained why that
> > hasn't happe
Luke,
I want only one thing from you at this time. See below.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, luke.leighton wrote:
> but the Directors of Allwinner aren't been kept in the loop,
> here: that's my job, to get them up-to-speed.
The one job I would love for you to do instead of all this tr
Hello,
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:26:49 +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> > Have you noticed that it is already the case in mainline?
>
> i knew there was a little bit, but not the extent of the commits.
Then you could probably use a bit of your time to read the kernel
commit logs rather than writing h
On Friday 07 of June 2013 20:02:03 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Tomasz Figa
wrote:
> >Seeing from your posts you don't have any knowledge on how Linux kernel
> >
> > development works
>
> check back to 2004.
$ git log --oneline --author="Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton"
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:02:03PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> well, tough. get me up to speed, *fast*.
No, not unless you're willing to *pay* someone to spend time teaching you,
because you are asking to be *taught* about the current situation, so
you're asking someone to do some _work_ _for_
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:04:26PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > By demanding
>
> a-a-ah, no demands made.
" well, tough. get me up to speed, *fast*. please stop wasting time
like this: get me up to speed."
That is a demand. Stop tro
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:18:14PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> wrote:
> > Luke Leighton on the other hand is demanding that we
>
> no demands have been made, russell: i've informed you of an immovable
> deadline which wi
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:26:49PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> maxime: we need to talk :)
>
> please tell me in 4 or 5 sentences what you've managed to do so far,
> expanding a little on what thomas says below, more specifically what
> it achieves and/or allows rather than technically what it
On Saturday, June 8, 2013, luke.leighton wrote:
> right - too many people contributed to this, input from jon smirl,
> wookie, maxime, tomasz, henrik, i've made a start here and will
> continue editing: this is notes for me to put forward an agenda for
> discussion:
>
> http://hands.com/~lkcl/allw
Luke,
On Friday 07 of June 2013 22:29:34 luke.leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Petazzoni
>
> wrote:
> > Maxime will reply to this in more details, but I believe the status
is:
> > * Interrupt controller is working.
> > * Clock drivers are working.
> > * Pinctrl is wor
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:09:59PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> this is all a rather round-about way to say that for those people who
> heard and are thinking of heeding russell's call to "be silent and to
> ignore me"
Okay, so you've just misrepresented me in the above comment. I never
said any
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