Walter Bright Wrote:
> I noticed that there was no download page referenced from the LDC home
> page. This needs to get fixed ASAP!
You must have missed it: click "Current release: 0.9.1 announcement and
downloads" under "Project Status and Downloads".
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest
bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are
the
tango devs and walter and co.
"Don" wrote in message
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> Tom S wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>>
>>> AFL v3.0 Section 9.
>>> If You distribute or communicate copies of the Original Work or a
>>> Derivative Work, You must make a reasonable effort under the
>>> circumstances to obtain the express ass
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
And apparently, there's been very
little contact with Sean lately, so it's a case of 'us' vs 'them' again.
No one has tried to c
Tom S wrote:
Thank you, Sean! Seeing the larger picture now, I'm with you on it. I'd
probably rather slit my wrists than be a proxy server / ambassador of
this kind. We're in it for the code, not flame wars, after all. I also
hope we can forget the quibbles and focus on helping D instead :)
I'
Yigal Chripun wrote:
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
A lot of fundamental breaking changes were made to Phobos2 to
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
looking at Tango.
Tango is under the BSD license, which requires attribution in binaries
for linking with it. This is what the license says, regardless of how it
is interpreted. I don't feel that can
Daniel Keep wrote:
Here's the thing: tracing JITs can theoretically BEAT C. Why? Because
a tracing JIT knows more about the system the program is running on than
a compiler ever will. It knows which parts of the code are being hit
the hardest. It can even inline whole inner loops across funct
Christian Kamm wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
I noticed that there was no download page referenced from the LDC
home page. This needs to get fixed ASAP!
You must have missed it: click "Current release: 0.9.1 announcement
and downloads" under "Project Status and Downloads".
That was fast!
Daniel Keep:
> LanguageSciMark score (larger is better)
>
> Lua 5.1.413.87
> LuaJIT 1.1.x 89.80
> LuaJIT 2 [1]425.11
> C [2] 604.44
If you want to do comparisons I have translated SciMark to D, you find timings
too inside the zip:
htt
Walter Bright Wrote:
> Yigal Chripun wrote:
> > IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
> > problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
> > tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
>
> A lot of fundamental bre
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 07:41:17AM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
> there is no defined system for the development of D.
What does this have to do with the development of an independent project?
--
Adam D. Ruppe
http://arsdnet.net
yigal chripun Wrote:
> there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
> defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
> process to define that plan?
> Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven process
> (Java JSRs,
Kagamin Wrote:
> yigal chripun Wrote:
>
> > there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
> > defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
> > process to define that plan?
> > Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community dr
Sjoerd van Leent Wrote:
> All of these environments have a stable language, and on top of that, ONE
> single main library. With C++ this is STL/IOStream, with .NET and Java it's
> their respective libraries. Similar for Python and Ruby. With D however,
> there are at least 2 main libraries (Pho
Walter Bright Wrote:
> If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know what
> that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility, but the lack of
compatibility has to affect many D projects. There are many D1-only projects
that can't be used within D2. When
Jason House Wrote:
> My understanding is that the D2 port was an effort by one inspired community
> member. It lived in its own branch and quickly got out of date. Both D2 and
> this mailing list are completely ignored by the Tango developers. Once D2
> stops changing, they may reconsider. As f
Walter Bright, el 1 de julio a las 02:52 me escribiste:
> Christian Kamm wrote:
> >Walter Bright Wrote:
> >>I noticed that there was no download page referenced from the LDC
> >>home page. This needs to get fixed ASAP!
> >You must have missed it: click "Current release: 0.9.1 announcement
> >and d
Kagamin Wrote:
> Sjoerd van Leent Wrote:
>
> > All of these environments have a stable language, and on top of that, ONE
> > single main library. With C++ this is STL/IOStream, with .NET and Java it's
> > their respective libraries. Similar for Python and Ruby. With D however,
> > there are at
Jason House Wrote:
> Walter Bright Wrote:
>
> > If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know what
> > that is.
>
> I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility, but the lack of
> compatibility has to affect many D projects. There are many D1-only projects
>
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know
what that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility,
That's not quite correct. I have strongly resisted any changes to D2
that would *silently* break programs. Th
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Walter Bright, el 1 de julio a las 02:52 me escribiste:
Christian Kamm wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
I noticed that there was no download page referenced from the LDC
home page. This needs to get fixed ASAP!
You must have missed it: click "Current release: 0.9.1 announ
yigal chripun wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
A lot of fundamenta
Kagamin wrote:
If I recall it right there are bugs blocking tango port.
I've fixed all the bugs identified by the Tango team as blocking Tango2.
If there are more, please give me the bugzilla numbers.
Kagamin Wrote:
> yigal chripun Wrote:
>
> > there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
> > defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
> > process to define that plan?
> > Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community dr
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 01:21:58PM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
> the lack of proper planning relates to everything:
I think D has proper planning. It has a unified guiding vision with Walter
Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu. And they discuss it in blogs and on this
newsgroup, which usually gets wort
Walter Bright Wrote:
> Jason House wrote:
> > Walter Bright Wrote:
> >
> >> If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know
> >> what that is.
> >
> > I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility,
>
> That's not quite correct. I have strongly resisted any change
yigal chripun Wrote:
> Kagamin Wrote:
>
> > yigal chripun Wrote:
> >
> > > there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
> > > defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
> > > process to define that plan?
> > > Either you need to have a p
Christian Kamm Wrote:
>
> If it is intended, let's document and explain it in the specification. If it
> isn't, it needs to be changed or removed before the D2 freeze makes code
> into law.
>
>
Have you entered this into Bugzilla to keep your list of spec issues current?
Thanks for doing
"Sjoerd van Leent" wrote in message
news:h2fs94$1q3...@digitalmars.com...
>
>
> However, Tango and Phobos (D1) are simply incompatible. It's rather
> impossible to link both of them together.
>
> If library A is based on Tango and library B on Phobos, currently, it will
> not be possible to let
"Jason House" wrote in message
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> Kagamin Wrote:
>
>> yigal chripun Wrote:
>>
>> > there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
>> > defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
>> > process to define tha
yigal chripun wrote:
blocking bugs that affect tango for D2,
Please let me know the Bugzilla numbers for these.
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You can put enhancement requests in Bugzilla and get
people to vote for them.
-Lars
Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 01:21:58PM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
the lack of proper planning relates to everything:
I think D has proper planning. It has a unified guiding vision with Walter
Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu. And they discuss it in blogs and on this
newsgroup,
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>>
>> I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
>> looking at Tango.
>
> Tango is under the BSD license, which requires attribution in binaries for
> linking with it. This is what the license s
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
Andrei had some reason (license-related, IIRC) for deliberately not looking
at Tango at all. Maybe that's the license issue being referred to? (I'm
about as in-the-dark about it as you.)
I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
looking at Tango
bearophile wrote:
> Daniel Keep:
>> LanguageSciMark score (larger is better)
>>
>> Lua 5.1.413.87
>> LuaJIT 1.1.x 89.80
>> LuaJIT 2 [1]425.11
>> C [2] 604.44
>
> If you want to do comparisons I have translated SciMark to D, you find
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
> Sean looked around for a new license for druntime, and settled on using
> the Boost license which doesn't have the BSD problems and is designed
> for maximum utility for any purpose one may want to use it for.
I'd like to point o
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