Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-20 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 20:02:01 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: And yet in Paris lives a man, presumably a French citizen, who was working on a cryptocurrency scaling startup last dconf and that ended up being part of the path towards launching Bitcoin Cash. So some French citizens don't s

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-18 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 07:06:37 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: It may not be distributor greed: I was one of the founders of a WordPerfect distributor in Turkey in around 1991. Cool :-) I don't know whether it was the US government rules or WordPerfect rules but they simply could not sell us an

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-18 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 03/17/2018 02:31 AM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: > I don't know about compilers specifically, but the big distributors in > Europe charged some hefty margins on their imports. So pricing in US was > often much lower than here... It may not be distributor greed: I was one of the founders of a

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 3/17/2018 1:02 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote: Anyway I asked Walter about why so many Germans in the D community.  No final answer.  It's interesting that Walter is of German descent.  A controversial topic, but in my experience what you are from shapes who you are, how you think and what you valu

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread greentea via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 20:17:17 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: ... A small group, drawn to do something for intrinsic reasons starts to create something. And they get no face because it seems completely unrealistic and in truth the odds are very much against success. But they create somet

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 16:26:27 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: While France is all about status (titles, living well over your means), and people prefer to learn "high-status" languages, I guess this is the profile of late adopters everywhere. Yes, status seems one of the most important t

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 18:38:44 UTC, Aurélien Plazzotta wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) lik

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 3/17/2018 4:28 AM, Arjan wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 19:27:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: My old company's product, Zortech C++, was also very popular in Germany, England, and Japan. I don't know why. And a certain spot in the Netherlands, because at the time it outperformed all the o

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 18:38:44 UTC, Aurélien Plazzotta wrote: Also, french citizens don't like taking financial and technological risks, now adopting D for professionnal use is a big one. A friend of mine has heard about D for about ten years. I've been bothering people for a while. A

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:50:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Well, Algol, Pascal, Oberon, Component Pascal, VHDL, Ada are all examples of programming languages successfully used in Europe, while having adoption issues on US. It's even stranger for Ada because AFAIK it was invented for US go

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Arjan via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 19:27:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2018 4:44 AM, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Rom

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 09:31:58 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: I don't know about compilers specifically, but the big distributors in Europe charged some hefty margins on their imports. So pricing in US was often much lower than here... When I think of it, the distributors probably onl

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Thomas Mader via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? My guess is that it

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 22:43:57 UTC, Chris wrote: Most interesting! I'm not kidding. Is it 'wow it's from the US', or something else? Genuine question. I ain't asking for fun. There's more to business and technology than meets the eye. I don't know about compilers specifically, but the bi

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 22:25:50 UTC, jmh530 wrote: This sort of analysis applies to programming languages in exactly the same way. If I'm a company, do I build products using language X or language Y. If I'm a person, do I spend N hours learning language X or language Y (or do the next bes

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 08:48:45 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Anyway, cultural change is slow. Even though the 70s is far away, it still probably has an effect on culture and attitudes in universities and the tech sector. In the late 80s I was quite surprised that Danish computing mag

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-17 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:50:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Well, Algol, Pascal, Oberon, Component Pascal, VHDL, Ada are all examples of programming languages successfully used in Europe, while having adoption issues on US. There are some historical roots, I believe. In the 60s and 70s compu

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 19:27:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2018 4:44 AM, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Rom

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 19:15:16 UTC, bachmeier wrote: The point is that there is no "fundamental" reason someone using a computer uses a qwerty keyboard. If you are to ask "what makes the qwerty keyboard the best choice for someone using a computer?" you are not going to have any luck fi

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 3/16/2018 4:44 AM, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? My old company's product, Zortech C++, wa

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 16:18:55 UTC, jmh530 wrote: We use qwerty because that's what the first commercially successful typewriter used. When computers came about, they needed to get people to transition over. Keeping qwerty was the optimal decision because of marginal costs and marginal

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Aurélien Plazzotta via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? To the best of my kn

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 03/16/2018 08:32 AM, Radu wrote: > Maybe the name has something to do with it :D Not about numerology, but for "priming" reasons I think names do have effect. For example, Germany's country letter is D. ;) Thinking back, the fact that my daughter's name starts with D may have a positive e

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 03/16/2018 09:18 AM, jmh530 wrote: > On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 16:02:07 UTC, bachmeier wrote: >> Much of programming language >> adoption involves choosing languages others are using Agreed. In my case, "others" have been people who I respected or happened to be my close friends. Over the

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread lurker via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: [...] easy code readability, few keywords, well defined and predictable (ex. ebnf) well D is all - but that. i can't get anyone in our company to use it even for little stuff.

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 16:02:07 UTC, bachmeier wrote: Allow me to put on my economist hat and say you might be looking for explanations when none are required. Much of programming language adoption involves choosing languages others are using (see, well, any conversation about programmin

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread user1234 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? I've always been intri

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, March 16, 2018 11:44:59 Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D > is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries > of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, > Romania and Russia etc.? I've al

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 15:14:08 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:50:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Well, Algol, Pascal, Oberon, Component Pascal, VHDL, Ada are all examples of programming languages successfully used in Europe, while having adoption issues on US. Even Delphi

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:45:28 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Radu via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? I've always been intri

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:50:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Well, Algol, Pascal, Oberon, Component Pascal, VHDL, Ada are all examples of programming languages successfully used in Europe, while having adoption issues on US. Even Delphi is still having regular conferences and magazine artic

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? I've always been intri

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? Made-up theory that

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 14:18:16 UTC, bauss wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 13:51:03 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 12:43:03 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Hint: there's a Ph.D. in it ;) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D based

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread bauss via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 13:51:03 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 12:43:03 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Hint: there's a Ph.D. in it ;) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D based on impressions ;-) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D. at all

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 12:43:03 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Hint: there's a Ph.D. in it ;) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D based on impressions ;-) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D. at all ;)

Re: D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 16 March 2018 at 11:44:59 UTC, Chris wrote: Hint: there's a Ph.D. in it ;) Hint: Do not write a Ph.D based on impressions ;-)

D beyond the specs

2018-03-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
Would it be possible to find out at DConf in Munich why exactly D is so popular in Germany (my impression) and in other countries of Europe (and that general post code) like France, Italy, GB, Romania and Russia etc.? I've always been intrigued by the fact that it originated in the US but that