cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Vic via Digitalmars-d
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8781522 http://arthurtw.github.io/2014/12/21/rust-anti-sloppy-programming-language.html c'est possible! Oh how much free time and stability there would be if D core *moved* GC downstream. Vic ps: more cows waiting for slaughter: http://dlang.org/comparis

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:28:16 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8781522 > > http://arthurtw.github.io/2014/12/21/rust-anti-sloppy-programming-language.html > > c'est possible! > > Oh how much free time and stability there would be if D core > *moved* GC

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Kapps via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 22:02:46 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: oh, how much usefullness there would be if D core suspended all other activities and maked GC on par with "industrial strength" GCs! i'm trying to tell you that i LOVE GC. and i can't share the (growing?) attitute t

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 12:28:18 UTC, Vic wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8781522 http://arthurtw.github.io/2014/12/21/rust-anti-sloppy-programming-language.html c'est possible! Oh how much free time and stability there would be if D core *moved* GC downstream. Vic ps: mo

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:02:36AM +0200, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > oh, how much usefullness there would be if D core suspended all other > activities and maked GC on par with "industrial strength" GCs! > > i'm trying to tell you that i LOVE GC. and i can't share the > (growing?) att

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:09:22 + Kapps via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 22:02:46 UTC, ketmar via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > > > > oh, how much usefullness there would be if D core suspended all > > other > > activities and maked GC on par with "industrial strength" GCs!

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Vic via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 22:02:46 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:28:16 + . what we really need is a better GC, not "no GC". I am not saying no GC; I am saying: a) something needs to be moved out of core. If not GC, what would you move downstream? b) m

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread anonymous via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 23:21:17 UTC, Vic wrote: I am not saying no GC; I am saying: a) something needs to be moved out of core. And many don't agree. If not GC, what would you move downstream? b) move, not remove. Move where? There is no downstream. There are no hordes of developer

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Vic via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 00:49:57 UTC, anonymous wrote: On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 23:21:17 UTC, Vic wrote: I am not saying no GC; I am saying: a) something needs to be moved out of core. And many don't agree. Dear Anonymous, IMO D needs to be more stable, the alternative is mo

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread Elvis Zhou via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 03:32:12 UTC, Vic wrote: On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 00:49:57 UTC, anonymous wrote: On Monday, 22 December 2014 at 23:21:17 UTC, Vic wrote: I am not saying no GC; I am saying: a) something needs to be moved out of core. And many don't agree. Dear Anonym

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-22 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:32:11 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Hence a prediction: major things will be moved out of core to 3rd > party plugins to slim down the lang, because now it's more than a > lang: it is a platform. D is not a platform. besides, GC is a core feature of D. signature

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread Vic via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 04:06:33 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:32:11 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: Hence a prediction: major things will be moved out of core to 3rd party plugins to slim down the lang, because now it's more than a lang: it is a platf

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:16:25 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 04:06:33 UTC, ketmar via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:32:11 + > > Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > > > >> Hence a prediction: major things will be moved out of core to > >>

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread CraigDillabaugh via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 14:39:30 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:16:25 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 04:06:33 UTC, ketmar via clip mind if i say that i don't give a shit about what "commercial users" want? and the last

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove. A. de Saint-Exupery https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Perfection -- mailto:jeber...@free.fr http://jeberger.free.fr Jabber: jeber...@jabber.fr sign

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:52:04 + CraigDillabaugh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > In fairness to commercial users though - and many have shown that > they are willing to put resources and money into open source > projects - they naturally need to feel that there is something > in it for them. They n

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:01:31 +0100 "Jérôme M. Berger" via Digitalmars-d wrote: > It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to > add, but when there is nothing more to remove. > A. de Saint-Exupery > > https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Perfection

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d
Jérôme M. Berger: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Perfection This leads to Scheme :-) Bye, bearophile

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread Vic via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 December 2014 at 14:39:30 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: mind if i say that i don't give a shit about what "commercial users" want? and the last thing i want is cutting out language features. yes, "moving out of the core" == "cutting off". half-baked feature annoys people

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d
Vic: Current situation is we are stuck, ex: " Anyone want to review these and see what we should add to Phobos?" from http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/Algorithms_to_solve_programming_contest_problems_246363.html#N246363 If D and Phobos become good to solve those contests t

Re: cross post hn: (Rust) _ _ without GC

2014-12-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:12:10 + Vic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > 1)I quote me: "How much $ funding so I consider it?" > here in D form- http://tinyurl.com/ks7z9jy you didn't get it. it's not about "where can i put my money", it's about "ok, so i hiring programmers to do what i want and publish