Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 05:40 +0200, David Nadlinger wrote: […] Not really – if I don't get a first beta of the next version out in the next few days, it will unfortunately take *much* longer (exams mid/end August, need to prepare). […] Is there any way of making the LDC development activity a

Re: Don's talk's video to be online soon

2013-06-11 Thread Don
On Monday, 10 June 2013 at 23:54:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 6/11/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:19:20 -0400, Anthony Goins neonto...@gmail.com wrote: Will there be video for Andrew Edwards? IIRC, Andrew specifically requested not to be

DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785 Facebook:

Re: Started: Formal Review of std.serialization

2013-06-11 Thread Jesse Phillips
On Monday, 10 June 2013 at 16:14:32 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote: Please discuss on official thread: http://forum.dlang.org/post/adyanbsdsxsfdpvoo...@forum.dlang.org This library is authored by Jacob Carlborg and has been around through the D1/Tango days. Review is being suspended while we work

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote: Combine that with good government subsidies and a deal to sell the power back to the grid and it's more like 10 years, max Aye, that's what I was hoping to get (New York State would have given like 50% money back) but alas I

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread David
Am 11.06.2013 14:33, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years! Here's the beauty of it though: the manufacturer offers a 25 year warranty! I've heard stories of PV panels from the 70's still working too. I betcha the lifetime depends on

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain circumstances it's a good deal for an individual. It's not a good deal for the taxpayers who have to subsidize it to make it a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 6/11/13, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance you can get replacement parts for 20 years. I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the older a product, the harder (i.e. more

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself compared to renting for a similar timeframe either, but I see it

Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread David Nadlinger
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 08:05:55 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 05:40 +0200, David Nadlinger wrote: […] Not really – if I don't get a first beta of the next version out in the next few days, it will unfortunately take *much* longer (exams mid/end August, need to prepare).

Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread David Nadlinger
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 03:40:16 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote: but there is some funky business going on with CTFE in 2.063 pretty much holding up any further work. Derp. Turns out that actually calling the newly added Expression::init during startup might be a good idea. Working on

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:18:09 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:11 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 6/11/13, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance you can get replacement parts for 20 years. I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread bearophile
Steven Schveighoffer: I have no doubt that solar technology will continue to innovate, but the worst thing we can do right now is subsidize it. When it's ready (and it will be), it will succeed on its own merits. The situation is far more complex than that. Bye, bearophile

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new ones! But I think that's an anomaly. I guess it totally depends on where you live. :)

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself compared to renting

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:51:53 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years A 20

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:47 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new ones! But I think that's an anomaly. I guess it totally depends on where you live. :) In the US. For example, my daily

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money isn't reliably one of them. I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage interest rates and fitting in principle prepayments into my budget tipped me

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider. I'd like to pop that default conception that buying is

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:20 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money isn't reliably one of them. I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage interest rates and fitting in

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:54:34 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain circumstances it's a good deal for an individual. It's not a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:29:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:29:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I can't even recall anyone remembering that selling a house costs you a 6% commission to the real estate agent. Poof! There goes a big chunk of your profits right off the top. This is a peeve of mine. I don't see my house as a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:02:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:21:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: For example, my daily driver is an '89 Bronco II. Had to look that up on wikipedia. Yikes, don't corner too fast in that thing, we need you alive!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 6/11/13 5:29 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider. I'd like to pop that

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:33:03 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 Twitter:

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:55 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase the gains you got from selling the old house! Yeah, I love that one. But I do feel the house is worth it

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:29:45 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? Cash is not always the only consideration. Equity has value.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:51:08 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:54:34 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:29:45 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? Cash is not always

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Jesse Phillips
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:55:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase the gains you got from selling the old house! So I don't think raising property values makes

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: My profit on my first condo, which I bought in '99 and sold in '05 was 150% of the *purchase price*. Minus the 6% commission :) Although, it was only 3% because a family friend who is a real estate agent did not charge me her half. And I only

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:36:11 -0400, Jesse Phillips jesse.k.phillip...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:55:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:40:29 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: My profit on my first condo, which I bought in '99 and sold in '05 was 150% of the *purchase price*. Minus the 6% commission :) Although, it was only 3%