Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 05:40 +0200, David Nadlinger wrote: […] > Not really – if I don't get a first beta of the next version out > in the next few days, it will unfortunately take *much* longer > (exams mid/end August, need to prepare). […] Is there any way of making the LDC development activity

Re: Don's talk's video to be online soon

2013-06-11 Thread Don
On Monday, 10 June 2013 at 23:54:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 6/11/13, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:19:20 -0400, Anthony Goins wrote: Will there be video for Andrew Edwards? IIRC, Andrew specifically requested not to be videotaped. I'm having trouble finding

DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/65527170

Re: Started: Formal Review of std.serialization

2013-06-11 Thread Jesse Phillips
On Monday, 10 June 2013 at 16:14:32 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote: Please discuss on official thread: http://forum.dlang.org/post/adyanbsdsxsfdpvoo...@forum.dlang.org This library is authored by Jacob Carlborg and has been around through the D1/Tango days. Review is being suspended while we work

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wa

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now... I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I have another two or the grand to spend. It i

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote: Combine that with good government subsidies and a deal to sell the power back to the grid and it's more like 10 years, max Aye, that's what I was hoping to get (New York State would have given like 50% money back) but alas I went

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread David
Am 11.06.2013 14:33, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: > Reddit: > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ > > > Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 > > Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/3444314902575267

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years! Source? There's not much that wears out in a ph

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years! Here's the beauty of it though: the manufacturer offers a 25 year warranty! I've heard stories of PV panels from the 70's still working too. I betcha the lifetime depends on you

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it befor

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you c

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain circumstances it's a good deal for an individual. It's not a good deal for the taxpayers who have to subsidize it to make it a good deal for the individual. Wo

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for it. Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years! Sourc

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 6/11/13, Walter Bright wrote: > Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance > you > can get replacement parts for 20 years. I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the older a product, the harder (i.e. more expensive) it is to fix it or g

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. "Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years" A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself compared to renting for a similar timeframe either, but I see i

Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread David Nadlinger
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 08:05:55 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 05:40 +0200, David Nadlinger wrote: […] Not really – if I don't get a first beta of the next version out in the next few days, it will unfortunately take *much* longer (exams mid/end August, need to prepare).

Re: LDC 0.11.0 has been released!

2013-06-11 Thread David Nadlinger
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 03:40:16 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote: but there is some funky business going on with CTFE in 2.063 pretty much holding up any further work. Derp. Turns out that actually calling the newly added Expression::init during startup might be a good idea. Working on gettin

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:18:09 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. "Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years" A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:11 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 6/11/13, Walter Bright wrote: Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance you can get replacement parts for 20 years. I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the older a product, the harder

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread bearophile
Steven Schveighoffer: I have no doubt that solar technology will continue to innovate, but the worst thing we can do right now is subsidize it. When it's ready (and it will be), it will succeed on its own merits. The situation is far more complex than that. Bye, bearophile

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new ones! But I think that's an anomaly. I guess it totally depends on where you live. :)

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. "Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years" A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself compared to renting f

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:51:53 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I have to laugh at this. "Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20 years" A 20 year payback time is no big

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 1:47 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new ones! But I think that's an anomaly. I guess it totally depends on where you live. :) In the US. For example, my daily driv

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money isn't reliably one of them. I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage interest rates and fitting in principle prepayments into my budget tipped me towa

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider. I'd like to pop that default conception that buying is financial

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:20 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money isn't reliably one of them. I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage interest rates and fitting in principle

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:54:34 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain circumstances it's a good deal for an individual. It's not a good deal for the taxpayers who

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:29:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:29:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I can't even recall anyone remembering that selling a house costs you a 6% commission to the real estate agent. Poof! There goes a big chunk of your profits right off the top. This is a peeve of mine. I don't see my house as a fina

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:02:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for i

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread John Colvin
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:21:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: For example, my daily driver is an '89 Bronco II. Had to look that up on wikipedia. Yikes, don't corner too fast in that thing, we need you alive!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 6/11/13 5:29 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to consider. I'd like to pop that d

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:33:03 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > Reddit: > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/ > > Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237 > > Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/3444

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 2:55 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase the gains you got from selling the old house! Yeah, I love that one. But I do feel the house is worth it financia

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:29:45 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? Cash is not always the only consideration. Equity has value. Quality of living has value, an

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:51:08 -0400, John Colvin wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:54:34 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin wrote: It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain circumstances it's a good deal fo

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:29:45 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Define financially better off :) You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition? Cash is not always the only consideration. Equ

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Jesse Phillips
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:55:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase the gains you got from selling the old house! So I don't think raising property values makes me

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: My profit on my first condo, which I bought in '99 and sold in '05 was 150% of the *purchase price*. Minus the 6% commission :) Although, it was only 3% because a family friend who is a real estate agent did not charge me her half. And I only ha

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:36:11 -0400, Jesse Phillips wrote: On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:55:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: ...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now homeless. And housing prices are up, so getting a new house will erase the gains you got from selling

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:29:17 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Property will ALWAYS have value, even if almost everything else goes to shit. Unless you buy in Detroit! (And that's far from the only such example. Many small towns in America ar

Re: DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

2013-06-11 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:40:29 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/11/2013 6:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: My profit on my first condo, which I bought in '99 and sold in '05 was 150% of the *purchase price*. Minus the 6% commission :) Although, it was only 3% because a family friend who