On Friday, 14 January 2022 at 06:12:51 UTC, Konstantin wrote:
Hello, Max!
Are there any news or estimates about the roadmap?
I posted a note about it in a meeting summary or a blog post
(can't remember where) a few weeks ago. But the short of it: in
the process of revising it, I realized it
On Friday, 14 January 2022 at 02:13:48 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
It takes 10x the effort to write a shell-script substitute in
C++ because at every turn the language works against me -- I
can't avoid dealing with memory management issues at every turn
-- should I use malloc/free and fix leaks / da
On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 23:53:46 UTC, max haughton wrote:
On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 21:48:23 UTC, Konstantin wrote:
On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 12:32:20 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
Attendees:
Andrei Alexandrescu
Walter Bright
Iain Buclaw
Ali Çehreli
Max Haughton
Martin Kinkelin
Mathias La
On Friday, 14 January 2022 at 02:13:48 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
How is using D "losing autonomy"? Unlike Java, D does not
force you to use anything. You can write all-out GC code, you
can write @nogc code (slap it on main() and your entire program
will be guaranteed to be GC-free -- statically
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 01:19:01AM +, forkit via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[...]
> C provides even greater autonomy over both C++ and D. And I'd argue,
> that's why C remains so useful, and so popular (for those problems
> where such a level of autonomy is needed).
>
> By, 'autonomy', I m
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 21:32:15 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:
Actually, I think *self*-government has very little to do with
it.
I'm not so sure.
Presumably, C++ provides a programmer with much greater autonomy
over their code than D?
C provides even greater autonomy over both C++ an
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 09:32:15PM +, Paul Backus via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 20:48:39 UTC, forkit wrote:
[...]
> > Programmers want the right of self-government, over their code.
>
> Actually, I think *self*-government has very little to do with it.
[
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 21:32:15 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:
As you correctly observe, D is a great language for programmers
who want autonomy--far better than something like Java, Go, or
Rust, which impose relatively strict top-down visions of how
code ought to be written.
I keep seeing
On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 20:48:39 UTC, forkit wrote:
Fear of GC is just a catch-all-phrase that serves no real
purpose, and provides no real insight into what programmers are
thinking.
It's all about autonomy and self-government (on the decision of
whether to use GC or not, or when to
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 11:30:40 UTC, zjh wrote:
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 03:10:14 UTC, zjh wrote:
I'm a `GC phobia`.
"A phobia is an irrational fear of something that's unlikely to
cause harm."
"A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder defined by a persistent
and excessive fe
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 03:51:07PM +, kinke via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> A new patch version was just released:
>
> * Based on D 2.098.1+ (stable from 2 days ago).
Big thanks to the LDC team for continuing to deliver one of the best D
compilers around!
T
--
Государство делает вид,
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:21:12AM +, Stanislav Blinov via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[...]
> Oh there is a psychological barrier for sure. On both sides of the,
> uh, "argument". I've said this before but I can repeat it again: time
> it. 4 milliseconds. That's how long a single GC.collect
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 16:33:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
ARC, tracing GC, whatever, but make your mind otherwise other
languages that know what they want to be get the spotlight in
such vendors.
Go has a concurrent collector, so I would assume it is reasonable
well-behaving in regards
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 15:44:33 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 10:21:12 UTC, Stanislav Blinov
wrote:
TLDR: it's pointless to lament on irrelevant trivia. Time it!
Any counter-arguments from either side are pointless without
that.
"Time it" isn't reall
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 11:57:41 UTC, Araq wrote:
But the time it takes depends on the number of threads it has
to stop and the amount of live memory of your heap. If it took
4ms regardless of these factors it wouldn't be bad, but that's
not how D's GC works...
Sadly fast scanning is
A new patch version was just released:
* Based on D 2.098.1+ (stable from 2 days ago).
* Linux x86[_64]: Important fix with statically linked druntime
and lld/bfd linkers. [lld 13 came with a deadly breaking change
and doesn't work, older versions do - stay tuned for LDC v1.29
for further impr
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 10:21:12 UTC, Stanislav Blinov
wrote:
TLDR: it's pointless to lament on irrelevant trivia. Time it!
Any counter-arguments from either side are pointless without
that.
"Time it" isn't really useful for someone starting on a project,
as it is too late when you ha
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 10:21:12 UTC, Stanislav Blinov
wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 16:17:02 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
[...]
Oh there is a psychological barrier for sure. On both sides of
the, uh, "argument". I've said this before but I can repeat it
again: time it. 4 millise
On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 02:37:47 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
"Why I like D" is on the front page of HackerNews at the moment
at number 11.
https://news.ycombinator.com/news
I enjoyed reading the article.
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 10:21:12 UTC, Stanislav Blinov
wrote:
Oh there is a psychological barrier for sure. On both sides of
the, uh, "argument". I've said this before but I can repeat it
again: time it. 4 milliseconds. That's how long a single
GC.collect() takes on my machine. That's a
On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 03:10:14 UTC, zjh wrote:
I'm a `GC phobia`.
On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 16:17:02 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:41:03PM +, Adam D Ruppe via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 15:25:37 UTC, H. S. Teoh
wrote:
>However it turns out that unless you are writing a computer
>game,
On Saturday, 8 January 2022 at 13:23:52 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:
On Saturday, 8 January 2022 at 02:07:10 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
1) After about three years, I finally added copy constructors:
http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/special_functions.html#ix_special_functions.copy%20constructor
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